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Forum » Real HIP HOP Forever » Hip Hop History/Knowledge » The Black Spades, zulu (40th Anniversary) Gang Members Speak (important hip hop history/knowledge)
The Black Spades, zulu (40th Anniversary) Gang Members Speak
Chinita Date: Sunday, 21/Feb/10, 11:46 PM | Message # 1

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The notorious Black Spades (precursors to Hip Hop) was once the largest and most feared gang in New York City. Hailing from the Bronx, the Spades had as their warlord, Hip Hop pioneer Afrika Bambaataa. Black Spades later became the Zulu Nation in the late 1970s, and then the Universal Zulu Nation, in the 1980s. Times were also changing, and block dance parties and clubs were becoming more popular. The beginnings of Hip hop culture began to form in these dance venues, and as gang members and former gang members started getting involved in more Hip Hop activities, involvement in the gangs declined. Davey D caught up with many of the members including original leader Bam Bam who gave Bambaataa his name.

This first video is original B-Boy and Zulu Charlie Rock who hails from the 22cd division of the Black Spades up on Gun Hill road in the Bronx.. He talks about how the Black Spades evolved and became the Zulu Nation..He talks about Disco King Mario and the founding Spade chaptersat Bronxdale Housing project which was known as Chuck City. He also talks about how the early gangs were organized and became targets to corrupt police.. He talks about how three members, Wildman, Soulski and Meathead Ron were murdered by police. He noted that because the Black Spades were organized many of them were targeted by the police who tried to break them up and shrink their numbers

He spoke with Hip Hop legend Popmaster Fabel who is finishing up a documentary on early gang culture called 'The Apache line'.

Hip Hop legend Popmaster Fabel talks to about the important role early gang culture played in bringing Hip Hop to life. We also talk about how pop culture is exploiting gang life and leading people astray. Fabel explianed that early Hip Hop got people out of the gangs.. Today's rap music gets people into them

Black-Brown Unity-The Wisdom of the Ghetto Brothers

these videos will explain my blog entry
From Gangs To Glory

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Hip Hop played a big part in bringing peace from a gang life for many. Self expression through graffiti, bboy, beatboxing, the emcee, the dj, the knowledge all was a way of expressing ourselves with out the guns, weapons, violence. We instead battled as crews against each other using the elements of hip hop. Some of these expressions were almost like a cry for help is how it was for some when no one else would listen.

From Gangs To Glory
For those who are unfamiliar with the Zulu Nation, they began as an organization founded by Afrika Bambaataa at Stevenson High School in the Bronx. Back than it was simply known as 'The Organization'. Bam who once lived the gang lifestyle and was trying to change his ways and saw the newly formed group as a way out. Bam who was known for reading and staying up on the teachings of Elijah Muhammad and other African American leaders, changed the name to Zulu Nation after watching a movie that told the tale of the well known South African tribe.. Bam was inspired by their resistance to Dutch settlers. As Hip Hop became popular, the group became known as the Mighty Zulu Nation and as later the Universal Zulu Nation.

The story behind the evolution of UZN is significant. Back in the days Zulu's struck fear in many who lived outside of their Bronx River Housing Project strong hold. While they gave birth to Hip Hop's first B-Boys and B-Girls, the group for the most part was made up of former gang members. Many of them from the Notorious Black Spades which once reigned terror throughout the Bronx in the early to mid 70s. It used to be a really big deal for cats to hang out at Bronx River and not get stuck. It was a sign of toughness and brought much prestige. Many of the early crews tried to associate themselves with Zulu Nation for protection from roving bands of stick up kids and other gangs turned crew. It was in this backdrop that Bambaataa and other conscious brothers spent a lot of time teaching and preaching and working with Zulu members to bring about positive change. Bam often talks about how he would do simple things like bestow titles like 'King' and 'Queen' upon Zulu members in an attempt to instill pride and confidence. His feeling was that if you treated people like royalty then they would turn around and act like royalty in their actions. As Bam's recording career blew up, he saw too it that many of folks who were from the streets got an opportunity to go on tour with him and the Soul Sonic Force. Sometimes they were employed as roadies. Other times they worked as security. Again Bam's main objective was to see to it that local cats got a chance to see there was a much bigger world outside the Bronx.

Change didn't happen over night, but today the testament to all that hard work is the fact that there are vibrant Zulu chapters in more than 20 countries all over the world with estimated membership of over 10 thousand. They have come to embrace and preserve Hip Hop's key elements and have exemplified what is often considered Hip Hop's 5th Element-'Knowledge'. To me the beauty of it all is seeing what was once considered a 'ruthless gang' evolve' to a group that has strived and succeeded in serving the community. There are all sorts of stories about Zulus ridding their housing projects of drug dealers and many of the older guys spending time mentoring younger people. There are stories about Zulus escorting women to and from their apartments as well as looking out and helping those in need. This of course is in addition to various Zulu chapters that have involved themselves in local politics including the fight to Free Mumia and get him a new trial. We also can not overlook the fact that it was Zulu Nation members who put out some of Hip Hop's first records as well as among the first to establish Hip Hop's first radio shows. Who could forget Zulu Beats with Afrika Islam on WHBI. Its a shame that there hasn't been more of a public celebration and acknowledgment of this organization and its accomplishments.

Zulu nation, Afrika Bambaataa (much respect)


Chinita Date: Sunday, 21/Feb/10, 11:56 PM | Message # 2

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From Gangs To Glory

EmSeeD Date: Monday, 22/Feb/10, 1:49 AM | Message # 3

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i'll check this out soon, just too busy right now, i have read about the black spades though

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Chinita Date: Monday, 22/Feb/10, 3:01 AM | Message # 4

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sure, u will enjoy it..its from the sources mouths themsevles, i always tell u guys stories about gangs and hip hop and what i remember but here u can hear it directly from the old gang members..there is some even older with great memories :)

eboyd Date: Monday, 22/Feb/10, 4:24 AM | Message # 5

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dope videos.

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Dookie Date: Monday, 22/Feb/10, 6:36 AM | Message # 6

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^^, good to get it from the source, nice post chinita

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Chinita Date: Monday, 22/Feb/10, 1:47 PM | Message # 7

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thanks guys and thank u for taking the time to check them out..an important part of hip hop history started right here with these guys, how it led to bambattaa and kool herc ect.

i will be moving this to the hip hop history/knowledge section soon.. i think people miss threads in that section so i put this in gen for now..

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HateMainstreamMusic Date: Monday, 22/Feb/10, 1:58 PM | Message # 8

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very cool... thanks for posting :)

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Wow thanks for this topic, really interesting to know.

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Chinita Date: Monday, 22/Feb/10, 4:23 PM | Message # 10

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yw :)

EmSeeD Date: Thursday, 25/Feb/10, 9:03 PM | Message # 11

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moved/ bump

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