LOL exact my point you are coining human progress to an economic system human progress is inevitable under any society or economic system and growth doesn't mean people are better off free trade takes the economic agent as the country. Unlike an individual, a nation is divided by classes and marked by inequalities of wealth, power and influence. Thus while free trade may increase the sum-total of wealth in a specific country, it does not guarantee that its benefits or losses will be distributed equally between social classes, never mind individuals. While the total amount of goods may be increased by countries pursuing their comparative advantage it does not automatically follow that trade between them will distribute the benefits equally either between the countries or within them. As with exchange between classes, trade between countries is subject to economic power and so free trade can easily lead to the enrichment of one at the expense of the other. This means that the economically powerful will tend to support free trade as they will reap more from it.

well of course that's why i said the actual communities don't flourish certain individuals flourish that's why i said there is so much disproportion in wealth what you think creates these huge gaps between social classes ?? as i said above the economically powerful will tend to support free trade as they will reap more from it.

what ?? Marxist doctrine relies on party worship and leader worship Marxism from the nature of it it's corruptible and authoritarian SOCIALISM as envisioned by Proudhon and other real libertarian socialists it's a free system where everything is decentralized and given back to the actual people who themselves organize for production and distribution what Marx did is pervert every Libertarian aspect of socialism and create a system where the state is the soul power so inherently Marxism brings herself down because Marx and Lenin didn't take in the equation human nature

yes but i said COMMUNISM not Marxism we have never even seen a genuine, uncorrupted communist (yes it may need to adopt another economy) or socialist country. His ideology for communism has never been seen whereas his Marxist theology is embodied by marxist-socialist societies, the result is the broad assumption that communism is "bad" and will "never work." if any thing it is good and bad people will make it never work.

come on man don't bring that one me tell how my idea of society hurts individualism ? participatory societies will tend to increase their individualist tendencies because every woman and man will be responsible to themselves and to the rest this will be our strength we don't organize from obedience we organize from enthusiasm and necessity our revolution starts from below we don't shoot anybody to take power because we don't want power we want to control what we produce

so i was right? the leaders run it into the ground because they do so before it can ever reach a socialism status. granted i admit that i did not know that communism is supposed to turn to socialism over time. however, as i said before we haven't even seen a genunine socialist country, correct? so in theory it still can work but you need an honest politician (unfortunately that is seemingly non-existant) to run it.