Quote (Menace)
Well that's why they are not punk people think punk is a fuck you style well its actually not . Punk rose from a disfranchised generation which was young , angry and poor . Working class stiffs singing about class warfare that was punk . In the punk and hardcore subcultures, members or the scene are often evaluated in terms of the authenticity of their commitment to the values or philosophies of the scene, which may range from political beliefs (e.g., in an anarcho-punk squat) to lifestyle practices (e.g., not using drugs or alcohol in a "straight edge" scene"). In the punk subculture, the epithet "poseur" (or "poser") is used to describe "a person who habitually pretends to be something he is not." The term is used to refer to a person who adopts the dress, speech, and/or mannerisms of a punk or hardcore subculture, generally for attaining acceptability within the group, yet who is deemed to not share or understand the values or philosophy of the subculture . One notable attitude common within the punk subculture is the opposition to selling out, which refers to abandonment of personal values in exchange for wealth, status or power. Because anti-establishment and anti-capitalist attitudes are such an important part of the punk subculture, a network of independent record labels, venues and distributors has developed. Some punk bands have chosen to break from this independent system and work within the established system of major labels. Some punks argue that these artists have betrayed their communities, and that their creative integrity has become compromised.
Well I mean if you look at how the guys in Green Day grew up, they were definitley lower class. The bassist got kicked out of his parents house and lived in the guitarist's garage when he was only 13.
On top of that, the guitarist's mom worked like 3 jobs to keep the lights on, and his dad died of cancer and I mean just read up on them and you will see that their up-bringing wasn't this sugarcoated teenage funland like how Blink182's growing up was.
Plus, Green Day actually played along side several "true" punk bands at 924 Gilman Street in San Fransisco which was like a major place in the Southern California punk movement of the late 1980's.
And then, even though the SOUND of their 2004 album "American Idiot" is pop-rock, the whole album is about politics and growing up in America under the Bush Administration and how our generation is going to have to get off their ass and do shit if they don't want everything to just go fuck itself up the ass.
Green Day is alot more than just some Blink 182 sounding motherfuckers. (Note, I still love Blink.)
By the way menace, I still listen to Crass to this day since you showed me them.
I learned "So What" by them last night.
