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Origins of the Word Emceeing and Rap
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Saturday, 07/Nov/09, 2:28 PM | Message # 1 |
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okay so i was wondering, people know where the word Emceeing came from in hip hop, but where did the word rapping come from and when exactly did people start calling themselves rappers and say they were rapping? who was the first person to say they were a rapper? who made the word?
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Saturday, 07/Nov/09, 2:31 PM | Message # 2 |
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quick article on wiki about the Origins of the word Emceeing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emcee#Origins Grandmaster Melle Mel was the first person in hip hop to call himself an Emcee, and Cowboy of the Furious Five created the term Hip Hop while mocking his friend who had just joined the army
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| s0dr2 |
Date: Saturday, 07/Nov/09, 2:31 PM | Message # 3 |
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Quote (EmSeeD) people know where the word Emceeing came from in hip hop
this comes from...?
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Saturday, 07/Nov/09, 2:34 PM | Message # 4 |
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Quote (emseed) quick article on wiki about the Origins of the word Emceeing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emcee#Origins Grandmaster Melle Mel was the first person in hip hop to call himself an Emcee and Cowboy of the Furious Five created the term Hip Hop while mocking his friend who had just joined the army
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Saturday, 07/Nov/09, 2:36 PM | Message # 5 |
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well rap means Rhythm And Poetry. but who was the first person in hip hop to call themselves a rapper? and to call it rap? coz rapping pre-dates hip hop
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| Uncharted |
Date: Saturday, 07/Nov/09, 2:57 PM | Message # 6 |
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rap was orignally suppose to mean in slang to talk to somebody, most specifically a girl.
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Saturday, 07/Nov/09, 2:59 PM | Message # 7 |
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really? where did you find that from?
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| Adam |
Date: Saturday, 07/Nov/09, 3:04 PM | Message # 8 |
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Actually I am pretty sure uncharted is right. I can not say where I found that or when. But I know that it used to mean just what he said.
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| Uncharted |
Date: Saturday, 07/Nov/09, 3:06 PM | Message # 9 |
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Quote (Adam) Actually I am pretty sure uncharted is right. I can not say where I found that or when. But I know that it used to mean just what he said.
my father told me, he's most likely right because he was raised when hip hop started(he was born in 1972) and when i watch old 70 movies they would say "let me rap to this guy" when they really talking about talking to someone
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| eboyd |
Date: Saturday, 07/Nov/09, 3:39 PM | Message # 10 |
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The terms MCing and rapping both pre-date hip hop, but as used in the context of hip hop, emceeing has been used to describe the vocal aspect of hip hop since 1973 or shortly thereafter when Coke La Rock decided to be Kool Herc's emcee. The terms MC and DJ have been used since the inception of the record and the subsequent parties at which they were played. This, by far, pre-dates hip hop. Uncharted's dating of the word "rap" is also correct. My father speaks of people using the term in his youth as a term meaning "to speak" and that was back in the 60's and early 70's (he graduated from HS in 1972, a year before hip hop music's inception. He's a few months older than Kool Herc). The term didn't, however, get applied to hip hop until it began gaining infamy outside of NY and leading up to it's subsequent official use with the song "Rapper's Delight". So in essence, as I always say, the term rap did not become relevant in hip hop until it was commercialized and therefore we can draw somewhat of a line between rapping and emceeing and hip hop music and rap music in that the counter-culture we know as hip hop became a part of pop culture in the form of rap music. Therefore, hip hop is the culture and movement that spawned both rap music and hip hop music, and you may be able to even put them in the same category, but because of this, we can distinguish between hip hop MUSIC and rap MUSIC, and now that time has gone on so long and carried rap MUSIC so far away from hip hop CULTURE, we can now safely say that rap MUSIC is a part of pop and mainstream CULTURE, though we also need to distinguish between the two of those. Mainstream culture is what we see most consistently broadcast and most people have the easiest access to and therefore it reaches the broadest audience. This has no bearing on how good or bad an artist is, just who is actually granted exposure by the people who control that aspect of the industry. Artists like Lil Wayne, Eminem, and even Nas all fit into this equation. Pop culture, on the other hand, is made up of the artists labels push to try to create this popluar image in the minds of the masses. They find a formula that can be easily recreated and they mass produce it, creating pop culture. The biggest trend in pop culture right now just happens to be rap music. Artists like Soulja Boy and Lil Wayne fit here in varying degrees (SB fitting more directly, Wayne sort of barely fitting but still fitting). Additionally, being mainstream also isn't required to be pop. Many artists who are independent are just possible candidates to someday win the lottery that is pop stardom. Every artist, in fact, must start as an independent artist unless they are already a pop star in another industry looking for another route to further their stardom.
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| Chinita |
Date: Saturday, 07/Nov/09, 3:43 PM | Message # 11 |
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your dad is right uncharted, way back yonder girls would say, he was trying to rap to me a "slang" meaning a guy trying to kick it with some pick up lines to a girl.." was he rapping to you? which wasn't rapping at all, it was just talking some pick up lines and a girl would call it rapping... back in the days it was called emcees, mc'ing first..grandmaster caz used the word rap which like uncharted said first was used as a term for rapping to a girl in the 70's.. then rappers delight got a hold of it and used it in their song and thats when the industry, corporations labeled it "rap music" its what the industry uses..but we use to say mcing, microphone controller, the person that took over the mic in a house jam or block party and "moved the crowd" the MC or some use now emcee, it was'nt called rappin like the media, corporations do now.
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| Chinita |
Date: Saturday, 07/Nov/09, 3:46 PM | Message # 12 |
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Quote (eboyd) My father speaks of people using the term in his youth as a term meaning "to speak"
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| eboyd |
Date: Saturday, 07/Nov/09, 4:06 PM | Message # 13 |
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Yeah. I mean, that's a VERY broad usage of the term. Your version is much more accurate especially since it came from the lower class areas and my dad grew up in the suburbs (his dad was a successful journalist so they had some money) and therefore he wouldn't have a first hand or reliable account, but he had an account that was good enough to know the term existed. Your definition is definitely more accurate.
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| eboyd |
Date: Saturday, 07/Nov/09, 4:08 PM | Message # 14 |
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So you say Caz was the first to use it in hip hop but he didn't really commercialize it and the media stole and destorted it? How did Caz use it? Do you know some more specific details about this?
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| Chinita |
Date: Saturday, 07/Nov/09, 4:45 PM | Message # 15 |
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Quote (eboyd) So you say Caz was the first to use it in hip hop but he didn't really commercialize it and the media stole and destorted it? How did Caz use it? Do you know some more specific details about this?
well i read that they borrowed a book of rhymes from grandmaster caz and thats how they got rapper delights lyrics, i went to caz cause i was trying to go little further back with the word rap being used in some rhymes, caz might not have been the first one but many think it is, i'm sure it can go further than that before it got commercialized by the industry..as far back as i can think is what uncharted said about the "slang" rapping to a girl talk..in the early 70's which is probably where caz and the others got the term from. here read this..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandmaster_Caz
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