Quote (TheWatcher)
Word. I'm not saying that you're the one being disrespectful necessarily Erik but you do start a lot of the arguements and I can't be bothered with that.
read my comment above a little better. i'm not here for argument's sake. we're discussing this in class and i wanted to see if religious people (not just theologians, but common folk within religions) truly believe in the 4 omnis and for those that do, do they truly believe we have free will? also, can those that believe in both explain it in a way that would debunk the idea that the omnis offset free will. it's simply for the purposes of my class. that's all.
Quote (EmSeeD)
I don't believe there's a "future" I believe there is only the present and the memories of the past and visions and plans of future. Now why God is all knowing is because he know's all in the present. Why God prophesy's or know's what is going to happen is because there are things God would have planned to happen. As in God can change circumstances or things around you which will effect what would happen to happen the way God wants it to. But I think these are only for certain things. But really we have free will and what we do is made by our own doing and decisions. Its just that when God plans for something such as Jesus death on the cross or something like that. But I don't believe God plans like every single thing we do if you know what i mean.
the problem with that is all knowing means all. i was actually toying with that same notion, but if someone is all knowing he knows all. there are no exceptions. future events CANNOT be discluded, unless it is SPECIFICALLY stated that he is all knowing of everything present and before, but nothing in the future. as for the rest of your presentation, i feel that i think i know where you are going. yes, he's omnipotent (all powerful), but he doesn't exert this power at all times. he allows us to use our free will. that is a strong argument in the other direction actually. thank you for sharing.
Quote (MAK_The_Lucid_Tongue)
God is Jealous and wants us to love him in our flesh state......so, yeah - he gave us free will while we're in our flesh -
As for the All knowing/all powerful etc. thing..........He's simply All Mighty and we will not know any answers cuz we've already been shown and told that GOD is unfathomable.
what is your definition for all mighty? i'd love to understand this, but that term seems a bit abstract, like any definition could apply. i'd love to hear your take on it though.
