in an absolute sense, knowledge doesn't exist. all we have is degrees of knowledge. we can be finitely knowledgeable of something to the highest degree but we still cannot have a 100% absolute knowledge of anything. everything has been tested and is testable. that is the beauty of science. that is why i say that science is explaining (or attempting to explain) the so far unexplained.

the finite state existence does not change unexplained phenomena into something unexplainable. now if you are implying that there are things that, no matter what we do, it is impossible to explain it, who are we to say whether or not that is true? what i can say is thinking this to be true is irrational and so for that reason, being that my main goal as a thinking being is to limit irrational thought, i don't believe it to be true.

i agree. i will split this thread right now.

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What I'm saying is I'm not ignorant, nor do i hate science. I just don't like to depend on someone else for answers.

Also to be a bit more specific, when we are referring to science I am taking it more of the cliche way like chemistry type shit. when i apply the actual definition to it, we are all scientists; the simple act of learning goes to us all from birth to death so not really sure where this debate/conversation can go. We seem to have an understanding of what (maybe not in agreement) were trying to get across.

Just like to say once more, I feel there are things on this earth and off that will never be explained by man. Its a possibility that the universe is infinite and there will be things that are simply out of man's reach

i agree. i think we should still try to find ways to explain such things though.

you're right to assume the first part of your comment to be the likelihood, but again, even this is something that we do not know for sure. maybe someday we will find some crazy technology with which we CAN know EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING. as for the second half of your comment, maybe the universe IS infinite, however, modern science tells us that the universe is the collective of mass and energy that makes up everything that exists and that it is expanding into the infinite void further and further with each moment's pass. also, the first law of thermodynamics tells us that mass nor energy can be created or destroyed (no perpetual motion machines) but rather can only change forms. that would mean that the universe is finite to the best of our knowledge. of course all this leads us into the philosophical (and albeit possibly semantic) argument of "what is the universe?" but let's not take it there lol.

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You seem to be more educated in regards to the solar system. I just know what public schools told me, never was too interested but the universe is so large in scope to me that it might as well be infinite, until it can be proven otherwise, I feel that space has the possibility of being infinite. Not a fact by any means, just a possibility.

Also just another rant here, but WHY THE FUCK ARE WE BLOWING UP THE MOON ON SOME LEX LUTHER SHIT WHEN AIDS, CANCER, STARVATION AND POVRTYERT ARE PRESENT ON EARTH? fuck that, if thats science we need a new definition. we need to fix the shit here before we move on to something new.

how so? more blood has been spilled in the history of the earth over the secrets of the universe than any other cause. religion is a side effect of our need to figure out that which is unexplained.

i would hardly call it wasting time. we often find such explanations and, sure, they may not bring immediate results like new medicines do, but as we come closer to answers to the origins of the universe, new rationality becomes evident and draws people closer to true logic. lack thereof is what is crippling humanity today.

i agree. it's still not something we know though. like i said, in our current state we are unable to achieve absolute knowledge.

i agree and i'll go further and say that this is as close to a fact as it can possibly be.

well, first of all, because of Einstein we've explained how gravity works which has helped us predict somewhat accurately when life on earth will end due to a heat-death from the Sun, so that is one immediately relevant reason why such science is just as important, but i do agree with Chris Rock in that sciences such as finding a cure for AIDS, ending world hunger, etc., need to be made more relevant. however, we have enough scientists in this world to make both equally important and bring such scientific research to the forefront. the problem is not the fact that science focuses on the universe and finding answers to everything. the true problem is the political and economic climate surrounding us. it stifles such studies because making a profit and keeping the power structure of society is far more important than humanity to those in charge. the fact that this structure even exists as it does has to do with the irrationality of society in general due to manufactured consent created by propaganda.

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i understand where you're coming from now. we're basically looking at the same problem from two different angles.

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