what are you talking about? i just set a goal of making 800 dollars and figure out ways that i can make that. some ppl are basketball stars.. i suck at basketball completely. that just means i wouldn't bother trying to make 800 dollars through basketball. theres a million ways to make money, eventually your just gonna have to choose one way to make money or else ur excuse is ALWAYS going to be that you're not good enough.

they just fucked me and a coworker over today and took money from our paychecks. this means im going to have to find other jobs for myself.

n nature your ass has to eat. theres no "well some people are better at finding food while others aren't". nah its "u either find food or u starve". thats just how nature works and we're always a slave to it. go through LA! its a fuckin jungle. at some point your gonna have to accept self responsibility for the position that you're in and make moves to keep progressing and living.

The beauty of humanity is that we are in an advanced state of civilization in which we can find ways to transcend the dog eat dog nature of the uncivilized world. There are 2 basic reasons behind this: we have found ways to produce more resources and at least somewhat transcend scarcity, and we have found ways to evenly and fairly allocate resources. We're so far past the hunter-gatherer society we once were that to continue in this dog eat dog mode is a disgrace to our advance social status.

There are plenty of jointly-owned companies where workers have a say in business decisions because they own an equal share of stocks.

what you keep forgetting to realize is if I start a company, then hire ppl that agree to help out with certain parts of the job in exchange for compensation for their time doesn't mean they also own the company. They only own themselves and the services that they offer to the company.

You're saying that rich people have to feel obligated to accept responsibility for other ppl's poor decisions and living situation even if they might not even know who they are.

There's nothing wrong with encouraging kindness and generiousity, but your thinking is flawed when you begin advocating people to depend on other people.

No we're not. NOT AT THE LEAST. Just because we got our buildings to look taller and our cars to drive faster doesn't mean we're still a slave to our natural instincts that every animal has.

p.s. we haven't found ways to evenly allocate resources or else there wouldn't be any occupy rallies

we haven't been able to control is the supply of raw materials and human demand

why are you assuming they made a poor decision?? maybe that was the best decision available to them at the time?

why should an individual be rewarded so strongly for being in the right place at the right time when their skills are relatively equal to another person who wasn't as fortunate? that rich person wouldn't be rich at all if he didn't have more/better opportunities than that person who is not rich.

No one is gonna hold your hand through life. Yeah, so he's going to have to read and understand the terms before signing a contract, but then again you were always suppose to do that.

This is why everything else you said about this doesn't make a difference. Just because we're more efficient in messing with limited resources doesn't mean we're better or above any other species in the animal kingdom, we're still animals facing the same problems all other animals go thru.

"A man cannot directly choose his circumstances, but he can choose his thoughts, and so indirectly, yet surely, shape his circumstances."

why would this even be anyone's business?

a person that stays rich only stays rich because he stays a productive and contributing member of society.

Anyone else just wastes the money away.

The rich invest the money which create more oppurtunities for other people, which is something that happens everyday.

you don't get oppurtunities, you take them. and if a family member so wishes to make sure his future generations are taken care of by insuring financial security then thats the point of life anyway.

Their genepool is safe from extinction. Learn from people like that.

blah blah blah, rich people work hard.... blah blah, that's why... you got...

"The richest 2 percent of adults in the world own more than half the world's wealth, according to a new study released by the Helsinki-based World Institute for Development Economics Research of the United Nations.

The study's authors say their work is the most comprehensive study of personal wealth ever undertaken. They found the richest 1 percent of adults owned 40 percent of global assets in the year 2000, and that the richest 10 percent of adults accounted for 85 percent of the world's total."

Oh wait, studies always lie, god damn commies at the UN. So we got this SMALL ELITE that owns the world's wealth in a feudal manner; well, that begs the question, were the elite working hard? or hard working?

i would simply like to see that both parties to a contract would be allowed to dictate the contracts stipulations equally. as in rather than Company A having Bob sign a contract that they created and either accept the contract as is or choose not to contract, Company A and Bob will create the contract together and each will be able to strike certain stipulations that the other party allows them to strike. is that too much to ask for? that still leaves Bob responsible to read and understand the terms of the contract, and therefore no one is "holding [his] hand through life", but it simply puts each party on equal footing to bargain.

are you kidding me??? we have technology now that has allowed us to increase human productivity 100 fold since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. demands have been met at just about the same rate as well. there are plenty of raw materials in nature that we continue to access at much improved rates with each improvement in technology and there is no sign of slowing down. only a number of natural resources are in danger of being used at a higher rate than they can be accessed such as oil, and a lot of those resources (including oil) can easily be supplemented by other resources that aren't scarce in nature. and regardless, i was talking about more evenly allocating resources, which could be done regardless of the amount of resources available through the practical application of more efficient economic theories.

bullshit

because there is only a finite amount of money and, for example, if a business gives a high ranking official a large bonus, that bonus has to come out of the pockets of the other workers by either paying them less or not giving the workers a bonus (or at least one of the same magnitude) when the business sees a gain in profits. if all workers are given relatively equal pay for equal work, and extra reward only goes to those who put in extra work, then it wouldn't matter as much.

or because he knows how to invest/got lucky with investments, just so happened to create a product that people will buy in far higher demand than most everyone else, etc.

found ways to get people to do all the groundwork for him/her,

yeah, because all other citizens that aren't rich elites are gambling, drug-and-booze addicted, irrational shopaholic megalomaniacs who don't know how to balance their check books.

or, as is the case most of the time, even in the case of business endeavors undertaken by wealthy and experienced investors such as Donald Trump, they invest their money in businesses that wind up failing quickly and the main people that feel the effects of such a failure are the people who live in the community where the failed business was located.

there's a lot more to it than the first statement you made here. where do you "take" those opportunities from? how do you gain access to them? what are the determining factors behind why one individual takes an opportunity and another doesn't? i ask because a lot of times it comes down to nothing more than a person's personality, popularity or favor with superiors, or other traits that have nothing to do with their work ethic.

haha wow. financial survival of the fittest eh? lol

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you would just end up with the same contracts..

i thought u were tryn to argue that humans are superior to other animals which productivity has nothing to do with but ok

u should try thinking that way............. might get a date

money and its value is all made up, theres an infinite amount.

businesses have their own bank accounts with money. ive never heard of employees in a department getting money taken out of a single paycheck because the ceo wanted to give the vice president a bonus.

that can all be called contributing to society

i dont know what this means

i never said people who arent rich are addicts but i do guarantee you that most people rather have a beer or sit and watch tv after work instead of picking up a book that could further their career.

investors can only see a demand that hasnt been met and an oppurtunity to exploit that.

the majority of businesses do fail... thats why its such an accomplishment to own and run a successful business and they get to decide what to do with their business... cuz they're the ones that took all the risk in starting it and would be the ones to suffer the most if it tanked.

people arent just entitled to jobs or pay. they have to be able to do something that people want. work that will meet a certain demand.