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Catholics: Idol Worshippers
Menace Date: Saturday, 11/Oct/08, 8:39 AM | Message # 1

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"Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD;
Repent, and turn yourselves from your idols;
and turn away your faces from all your abominations."

-Ezekiel 14:6

"Jehovah, the eternal, self-existent, uncreated One, Himself the Source and Sustainer of all, is alone entitled to supreme reverence and worship. Man is forbidden to give to any other object the first place in his affections or his service. Whatever we cherish that tends to lessen our love for God or to interfere with the service due Him, of that do we make a god." - A Concerned Christian

The Catholic church declares unto all that are of her church to embrace and gather as many statues, medals, relics, and artifacts to themselves as a sign of holiness unto the Lord God. However, the Creator specifically states...

Exodus 20:4, "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:"

Deuteronomy 29:17, "And ye have seen their abominations, and their idols, wood and stone, silver and gold, which were among them

The Catholic church teaches it's followers to bow down before statues when in prayer. Anyone can walk into a Catholic church and see kneelers before every statue place within. However, the Creator specifically states...

Exodus 20:5, "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;"

Leviticus 26:1, "Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God."


Menace Date: Saturday, 11/Oct/08, 8:40 AM | Message # 2

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The Catholic church proclaims loudly that Jesus is dead and unable to help you. Walk into any Catholic church and you will see a DEAD Jesus on a cross, a DEAD Jesus in the arms of His mother, or an INFANT Jesus in the arms of His mother. However, look at the MEN and WOMEN depicted in statues. Look at Mary, Joseph, Peter, Anthony, and hundreds of other saints. They are all displayed as alive and well and very capable of helping you and hearing your prayers. However, it is written...

Acts 25:19, "But had certain questions against him of their own superstition, and of one Jesus, which was dead, whom Paul affirmed to be alive."

Matthew 28:6, "He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay."

The Angels were more concerned with us gazing unto the place were Jesus lay, than the place where He hung!

The Catholic church declares that you must bow before and display acts of worship unto a MAN called Pope. The very words of these Popes are such that they proclaim themselves "God on earth" for all Catholic to adore...

The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself" -Catholic National July 1895.

"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty" -Pope Leo XIII

The title "Lord God the Pope" is found within a gloss of Extravagantes of Pope John XXII, title 14, chapter 4 (For more info see "The Words of a Beast" page)

However, the Word of God exposes them graphically when it is written...

Romans 1:25, "Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen."

The Catholic church declares that all should pray unto Mary, Joseph, Therese, and hundreds of other saints. The Catholic church even goes so far at to declare Mary as your Saviour!

May 7, 1997 (David W. Cloud, Fundamental Baptist News Service, 1701 Harns Rd., Oak Harbor, WA 98277) - On May 7 Pope John Paul II dedicated his general audience to "the Virgin Mary" and urged all Christians to accept Mary as their mother. He noted the words spoken by Jesus on the cross to Mary and to John-- "Woman, behold thy son!" and "Behold thy mother!" (John 19:26,27), and he claimed that in this statement "IT IS POSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND THE AUTHENTIC MEANING OF MARIAN WORSHIP in the ecclesial community ... which furthermore is based on the will of Christ" (Vatican Information Service, May 7, 1997).

John Paul II underlined that "the history of Christian piety teaches that MARY IS THE PATH THAT LEADS TO CHRIST, and that filial devotion to her does not at all diminish intimacy with Jesus, but rather, it increases it and leads it to very high levels of perfection." He concluded by asking all Christians "to make room (for Mary) in their daily lives, ACKNOWLEDGING HER PROVIDENTIAL ROLE IN THE PATH OF SALVATION" (Ibid.).

However, Jesus said rather plainly... John 14:6, "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."

The Catholic church demands that all it's members wear medals, crucifixes, scapulars, etc. Even the demons that appear unto them masquarading as Mary and Jesus state...

"Wear the brown Scapular and other sacramentals." Also it states everyone should "-Keep the statues in your homes." -Bayside "The Lourdes of America" Jesus and Mary Speak to the World Through Veronica Lueken

"Wear any size crucifix that you can find. It does no have to be big or small, but an image of My Son" Directives from Heaven From the vision of "-Our Lady, Sept. 7 1985"

"You must keep them upon you, with a crucifix. We demand a crucifix. Directives from Heaven From the vision of "-Jesus, June 18, 1987"


Menace Date: Saturday, 11/Oct/08, 8:41 AM | Message # 3

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The Pope himself stated in 1981, "When Pope John Paul II was shot and operated on in 1981, he told doctors not to remove the brown scapular he was wearing. One of the two "most recommended" devotions of the Church... Pope John Paul is convinced that Our Lady of Mount Carmel, along with Our Lady of Fatima, saved him from the bullets of Mehmet Ali Agca. [See Inside the Vatican, July 2001, page 44] The Virgin Mary appeared at the final apparition of Fatima (Portugal) and at Lourdes (France) wearing the brown scapular.
The pontiff, a Third Order Carmelite, has worn the scapular of Our Lady of Mount Carmel since he was a young boy. He frequent asks Our Lady of Mount Carmel to help him make important decisions. -by John Drogin, ITV staff writer Vatican Magazine

If only the Catholics would open their Bibles and see that what these demons are saying, and what the Word has penned are two different things! For it is written...
1 John 4:1, "Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world." Acts 17:24 God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

The Catholic church declares that Jesus Christ incarnate is in the Catholic Eucharist that is made with human hands. It also states rather boldly that...

"If anyone denies that in the sacrament of the most Holy Eucharist (communion wafer) are contained truly, really and substantially the body and blood together with the soul and divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ, and consequently the whole Christ, but says that He is in it only as a sign, or figure or force, let him be anathema." (One exhausted definition of "Anathema" = To be damned and put to death) Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent. Original text with English translation, by Rev. H.J. Schroeder, O.P., B. Herder Book Co. 1960, p.79, Canon 1.
The Creator God could not have said it plainer when it was written...

Acts 7:48 Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,


Kiba Date: Saturday, 11/Oct/08, 8:57 AM | Message # 4

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I looked at the moon so full and so bright
And then at the fireplace with its flickering light
And realised why this world will never be right

Menace Date: Saturday, 11/Oct/08, 9:13 AM | Message # 5

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WORD KIBA SIMPLY WORD !!! ^^^^^

Kiba Date: Saturday, 11/Oct/08, 9:24 AM | Message # 6

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LOL i thought you would like that one wink

I looked at the moon so full and so bright
And then at the fireplace with its flickering light
And realised why this world will never be right

Chinita Date: Saturday, 11/Oct/08, 9:04 PM | Message # 7

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most of the government are catholics, they seem to worship the pope and statues and their money.
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The Catholic church teaches it's followers to bow down before statues when in prayer. Anyone can walk into a Catholic church and see kneelers before every statue place within. However, the Creator specifically states...
good thread menace smile

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The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself" -Catholic National July 1895.
i don't want to knock any catholics in here and i'm sure many have their hearts in the right place and some don't know any better but its crazy. My mom use to take us to a catholic church when we were younger but when i got older and did some research i never went back again..I also never did like that the idols were always worshipped and people acting like the pope is God or something sad


EmSeeD Date: Sunday, 19/Oct/08, 3:17 PM | Message # 8

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i don't want to knock any catholics in here and i'm sure many have their hearts in the right place and some don't know any better but its crazy. My mom use to take us to a catholic church when we were younger but when i got older and did some research i never went back again..I also never did like that the idols were always worshipped and people acting like the pope is God or something

very true. i went to catholic schools all my life. and im not even catholic


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Menace Date: Saturday, 04/Apr/09, 7:28 PM | Message # 9

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s0dr2 Date: Saturday, 04/Apr/09, 8:53 PM | Message # 10

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Oh come on, what about the statues of the two cherubim's on the ark of the covenant that God commanded ??

Christians don't "worship" the actual idols, people only say that to criticize them.....what about a statue of caesar, it's not the actual person, but we use it to symbolize him.

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but when i got older and did some research i never went back again

what??? what research?? come on now!

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WORD KIBA SIMPLY WORD !!! ^^^^^

you're joking right? now how am i supposed to take this article seriously?

Matthew 6:24
"No one can serve two masters. Either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and Money.

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The Catholic church proclaims loudly that Jesus is dead and unable to help you.

lol, the seriousness level on this is decreasing RAPIDLY

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Walk into any Catholic church and you will see a DEAD Jesus on a cross, a DEAD Jesus in the arms of His mother, or an INFANT Jesus in the arms of His mother.

huh?
so WHAT????????????????????????????????????????

the cross is only a symbol of how Jesus gave us salvation....you sit in a dentist's chair and suffer to make your teeth better.....we use a "chair" to remind us of how we will receive salvation because we're still human....plus you're forgetting the last supper, ***THE RESURRECTION***, all sorts of instances when Jesus lived.

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However, look at the MEN and WOMEN depicted in statues. Look at Mary, Joseph, Peter, Anthony, and hundreds of other saints. They are all displayed as alive and well and very capable of helping you and hearing your prayers.

saints are only intercessors, only God can help.

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The Catholic church even goes so far at to declare Mary as your Saviour!

source? it would be almost impossible for the church to declare this.

the rest of this article deals with the pope, and i somewhat agree with it as an orthodox. i dont acknowledge the supremacy of the pope or papal infallibility. we are all just human. this is one of the main reasons the catholic and orthodox cant reconcile.

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The Pope is not only the representative of Jesus Christ, he is Jesus Christ himself" -Catholic National July 1895.

i dont believe this (not that i don't acknowledge this happened, but just shocked, but this does seem questionable...

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The Catholic church demands that all it's members wear medals, crucifixes, scapulars, etc.

it does? source?.....(edit)....ok, but i dont think they represent Catholicism as a whole...

overall grade?:

EPIC FAIL


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Menace Date: Saturday, 04/Apr/09, 9:14 PM | Message # 11

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you don't kneel and pray to Statues and symbols of the past they just remember you of something you don't kneel before them kneeling before statues is called Paganism the bible specifically states about kneeling and praying before such things

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i dont believe this (not that i don't acknowledge this happened, but just shocked, but this does seemquestionable...

many Popes considered themselves God or Jesus In Matthew 23:9 Jesus says "Call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your father which is in heaven." tough on the opposite side The pope is officially called "Most Divine of all Heads." "Holy Father of Fathers" or simply "Holy Father "

Pontifix Maximus is a papal title meaning in Latin "chief bridge maker" between earth and heaven. However, Jesus Christ is the only One who can claim this title because "no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14:6. This was a title of Julius Caesar and of the Roman Emperors of paganism, thus showing how modern Roman Catholicism is of pagan origin. Constantine, a politician, in 320 AD, hijacked the church of Rome, taking control of it for himself. Hence, all popes accept the title "Pontifix Maximus" which title belonged to the Roman Emporers from Julius Caesar onwards.


Menace Date: Saturday, 04/Apr/09, 9:16 PM | Message # 12

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"We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty." - Pope Leo XIII

"Wherefore, if those things that I do, be said to be done not of man, but of God; what can you make me but God?" - Gregory IX

Christ who pronounces the anathema or accords the favor. So, when the Pope speaks we have no business to examine. We have only to obey." - Pius X


Render215 Date: Sunday, 05/Apr/09, 2:34 AM | Message # 13

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I've debated this topic frequently while attending catholic school for 12 years...

My attempts at explaining the similarities to idolotry were always immediately overruled.

I was explained that Roman Catholics do not worship the idols... but instead use them as a visual aid in picturing the Saints and so forth...

Its only natural that the statues are used... i mean, look at ll the Romanesque features of the statues... they look like Caeser with wizard cloaks on... and some even have magical weaponry... Gladiator Winged Saints with +5 swords of Demon Smiting... Some of the mythology is amazingly thought out.... No wonder it is so popular.... its like an awesome Radio Series or something....


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TheWatcher Date: Sunday, 05/Apr/09, 3:12 PM | Message # 14

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overall grade?:
EPIC FAIL

Couldn't word it better happy

Menace Date: Sunday, 05/Apr/09, 3:15 PM | Message # 15

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lol you religious people are whit double standard i freaking quote actual bible verses and yaal still denying it yaal just whit double standard man

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