LMAO we are in this conspiracy too we are using masonic symbols WE ARE PURE EVIL !!

The Orange order obviously had strong ties with Right wing Loyalist Paramilitaries.

It is well documented the UK Goverment used these links in the murder,kidnap and torture of many innocent Catholics.

As a kid if you were up to no good and pops was in the same Lodge (masonic or Orange) as an arresting officer you got let off.

If not you had a rap sheet, which effects school and employment propects later.

Adults in the same senarios would face similar options.

The same applied in the Judiciary.

Cops and Magistrates made careers off of the back of funny handshakes.

No paper trails,they don't air their business outside the lodge, all common knowledge prior to internet and conspiricy bullshit.

Freemasons also raise a lot of monies for charity.

Rudyard Kipling documented in his Mother Lodge poem the diversity within freemasonary world wide, including Muslims Jews Hindus and even Catholics (obviously not Irish or Scottish ones..LMAO!!).

It is no coincedence though how the sphere of British influence was spread within the Empire as prominent figures of indigenous populace were invited to this secular brotherhood.

Undermining the socio/relgious power bases established already within those countries.

Unlike Scotland and Ireland the common man was not needed, only the influencial need be invited to the club.

Prior to these influences in India for example many various religions in its various states co-existed peacefully, now we have India and Pakistan after partition, in which newly fuel religious intolerance uprooted and claimed the lives of millions, both now still rife with religious extremists and the forgotten confict in Kashmir.

One of many tools the Brits used to destabilize nation states and gain power worldwide.

Never heard of the Illuminati till about 15 years ago.....perhaps they're just too secret....spooky....LMAO!!!!

this my personal take on Freemasons and conspiracies in general gimme your opinion YANHAP1
http://realhiphop4ever.ucoz.com/forum/12-1722-1

And do you believe that Illuminati still exists within the Freemasonry (or at all for that matter) or do you think it was actually ended in 1785? And furthermore, do you think it was an evil organization or was it just something that was trying to thwart a corrupt regime?

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When watching news take the raw info everything else is editorial spin, the BBC is far from perfect, balance it out with Al Jazerra and you'll find the truth somewhere in between.

I like reflecting on diametric opposites.

Whats funny though is Religion is attacked as a higherarchical institution, Masonary is the same in a secular guise....and thats just the structure, not the people and ideas they have within them.

To me that's unbalanced.

Take down one, take down them all.

Im gonna delete some previous posts...you get the jist.

PEACE!!!

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Your taking a rather insulting and almost Colonial stance on the sophistication and diversity of Indian society at the time.
To negate the importance and draw of these old boys clubs is at best arrogant.

Swami Vivekananda (initiated in 1884 under the name of Bro. Narendra Nath Dutt in Lodge Anchor & Hope, Calcutta). Motilal Nehru - Lodge Harmony, Kanpur (Father of Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru and grand father of Indhira Gandhi), C. Rajagopalachary (Governor General of India), Sir C P Ramaswamy Iyer (Divan of Travancore), Dr. P V Cheriy (Governor of Maharashtra), and Fakruddin Ali Ahmed (President of India).

My take on conspiracy theories is i pay them no mind...hot air reported with the same sensationalist fervor as gutter tabloid press.

What i know of freemasonry is from experience.

Cold war politics and the means of global brinksmanship of that time are irrelevant in the context of the spheres of influence of the 17th to 18th century, there was no third world only first and second, there had been no Industrial Revolution.

Britain was not considered an Empire until Victoria's time over a hunderd years after the eventual subjugation of the various Kingdoms within the Raj and achieved it by proxy through the East India Company begining 1600 and it took them over 150 years to do so.

In 1717, the Company achieved its hitherto most notable success when it received a firman or royal dictat from the Mughal Emperor exempting the Company from the payment of custom duties in Bengal.

The first Masonic temple, The Goshamahal Baradari, Hyderabad, was built in 1682 by Sultan Abul Hassan Tanasha.

Meanwhile in 1717 the United Grand Lodge of England and Scotland took shape at a meeting of the local Lodges of London, to elect a Grand Master. A United constitution was drawn up and recognized by all the Lodges. A democratic tradition in the election of the Worshipful Master of a Lodge was prescribed. The Worshipful Master was authorized to appoint his team of officers.

It is therefore of interest that within 12 years of the constitution of the Grand Lodge of England, constituted for the purpose of exercising supervision over the lodges in London, and its neighboring areas, a petition was sent by a few Brethren in India to constitute a Provincial Grand Lodge in Calcutta. The Petition having been granted, a Provincial Grand Master was appointed to supervise Masonic activity in India and the Far East in 1728 A.D.

The Lodge at Fort William -- that is, Calcutta -- appears in the Engraved List of 1730, as No. 72. It was to meet at Fort William in Calcutta. The coat of Arms was adopted from the East India Company a golden lion, rampant guardant, supporting between the forepaws a regal crown. In 1729, Captain Ralph Farwinter was appointed "Provisional Grand Master for East India in Bengal " and also James Dawson as "Provincial Grand Master" for East Indies.

The Provincial Grand Lodge of Madras was formed in 1752 and The Provincial Grand Lodge of Bombay was created in 1758.

What coincidences.

I do not prescribe to the belief that the take over of India was some sort of Masonic venture.
To negate the importance of Free Masonary as a tool of influence however, one of many as i previously stated, is close minded and naive.

If on a street level Freemasonary can have such effect what effect can its members create on a multinational level?

I re-itterate that i do not believe there to be some devious Masonic agenda.

However if Jesuits were the storm troopers of "civilized Religion".

I believe Masons will be judged as the stormtroopers who laid the keystone,pardon the pun of "civilized secular free market economy".

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PEACE!!!

Macrocosm Microcosm.

If sructures allow themselves to be abused then they are complicit and flawed.
Just like the people who create and function within them.

My take is that when your ego draws you into an ideal that places you in a realm of exclusivity on any level, undoubtably, you raise your self and diminish others.

If you are drawn to charitable works, do some on a local or personal level you don't have to be part of a fraternety.