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Yeah, every animal is territorial in some way. Its just a natural system that works and allows animals to have room to breathe, eat, and sleep.
What does this have to do with what I said and what we were discussing?
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Lol, yeah well while you're out going to college and having it paid for by other people, I've been working and earning my own money. Im just advertising a service that I can provide when I give out my resume. It has nothing to do with being a slave. whatever my pay is, is what the market (which is again, the people) want me to be paid. Its simple economics.
It bothers me, though doesn't surprise me in the least, that by the virtue of my beliefs alone you assume that myself and others like me are always either 1: students who slack off when it comes to actual work and cannot possibly sympathize with real workers' struggles because they only study and have other people pay for them to do it or possibly teachers paid by a school to come up with unrealistic theories, or 2: young hoodlums who live in their mom's basements for free, excluding themselves from the world, not working and living off of their parents, who only come out of their lairs to vandalize private property. This is so far from the case that it is absurd to even suppose such an idea. The socialist and anarchist struggles have always revolved around and represented workers' interests and have successfully organized the working class into mobile and active political forces more often and in bigger numbers than any capitalist struggle ever has in the world. Union mobilization, which came out of the socialist movement and came to a head with the birth of anarcho-syndicalism, has been the leading force in achieving workers' rights throughout the world, including in the US. Any contention toward a claim that capitalists "understand" the workforce and cater more to their needs than socialists is utter nonsense.
And btw, I'm not in college right now. I am searching for a job because the scholarship that I did get didn't cover my out-of-state fees and so I owe $5000 to the school and I need to pay it back before I go back to school. In the meantime I am trying to find work, but it's very hard in this society today. And I do, in fact have work experience, possibly as much or more than you. However, I put it on hiatus to go to school and play football and even more so when I went to Mississippi. So don't give me shit like I don't understand the struggles of the common worker.
As for the "wage slave" argument, first off, did I say that? I've pretty much abandoned that term because the term "slave" when referring to this concept because it raises a lot of pointed emotions in people who have an Americanized understanding of the word and also because people like yourself apply very strict definitions to the word that define wage labor out of being a form of slavery and so I find it to be much less of a hassle to simply say that one is renting himself out to labor in exchange for a wage. This is not false. It is truly the way business works here in the US.
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Oh, now you say your for free markets. lol. Okay, so lemme ask you this if you are for free markets. Under the system you believe in, who's deciding the value of my time and how so?
What does that have to do with the market? Your labor is not a commodity for sale. In this system, your labor is currency in that labor performed transfers to work credits which you can then use to purchase other items. But assuming that this question was relevant, I'll describe how it would function. Groups of people would congregate in a fashion that is bottom-up, not top-down, and so at town meetings, the Average Price of Products in that economy would be estimated. Using the APP, which would be determined by scientists but decided upon democratically, we would figure out the price each collective will pay workers based on productivity levels, labor time, and difficult of the task as well as APP. Prices would be then determined solely by scarcity.
This is a strange form of market though, and it is radically different from other individualist socialist markets such as mutualism. Try reading up on theirs. It is definitely a free market and value of your labor would be based on supply and demand.