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Playing Devil's Advocate: Religion
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Tuesday, 10/Nov/09, 10:12 PM | Message # 16 |
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apart from the banana i have seen no sufficient evidence of God
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Tuesday, 10/Nov/09, 10:22 PM | Message # 17 |
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they're just lying, their all big fat liars,
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| eboyd |
Date: Tuesday, 10/Nov/09, 10:31 PM | Message # 18 |
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EmSeeD, it seems you didn't quite understand my argument because you used an argument that I already refuted. No evidence is sufficient if we assume that idealism may be true. We all take on faith (except fo idealists themselves) that idealism is not true. What evidence do we have to claim that it isn't?
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| eboyd |
Date: Tuesday, 10/Nov/09, 10:41 PM | Message # 19 |
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And btw, I have evidence for idealism. While most of the time when we are perceiving we (at least seemingly) can agree on what it is we mutually perceived. However, have you ever seen something that wasn't there? Something that no one else but you could have possibly perceived? No, I am not talking about God or any other such thing. I am talking about when you close your eyes and you see these spots that you know do not exist outside of your own conscious. When you hear something and ask around and nobody else heard it. How do we actually know to what extent these perception issues actually occur? The answer is that we don't. Now I believe this is true just as much as an atheist, but unlike your average atheist, I at least have the humility to admit that I take it on pure and utter faith (believe that is not backed by any scientific evidence) when I believe in anything existing, because the very core of my believing and understanding has no evidence grounded in undeniable fact.
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| Adam |
Date: Tuesday, 10/Nov/09, 11:09 PM | Message # 20 |
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It depends on what he slapped me with 
I JUST EXPLODED INTO RAINBOWS AND LOLLIPOPS!
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Wednesday, 11/Nov/09, 0:42 AM | Message # 21 |
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Quote (eboyd) if what we perceive as reality is leans completely in favor of something, our senses may be failing us. If we take it to the root of our knowledge, the cogito, not a single person can prove anything is true but that I think therefore I exist. So based on the cogito, all of our beliefs, atheists and theists alike, are based on a faith. All realists, atheists and theists alike, in fact, share a faith in the same principle -- we all share in our faith that we believe that we are objectively and correctly perceiving reality. That is faith and it is based in the root of all knowledge, making every claim a human chooses to make a faith claim to some extent. but my atheist beliefs are based on scientific facts your beliefs are based on 10,000 year old parables and stories and bananas. so my faith is based on something more logical and solid than yours
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| eboyd |
Date: Wednesday, 11/Nov/09, 0:53 AM | Message # 22 |
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Quote (EmSeeD) but my atheist beliefs are based on scientific facts your beliefs are based on 10,000 year old parables and stories and bananas. so my faith is based on something more logical and solid than yours *sigh* you sound like the typical creationist nutbag right now. Most atheists I debate actually use their logic and don't stress the same points over and over again when they've been logically refuted, then make bigoted comments toward religious folk about having superior logic (hint, hint  ) Anyways, why don't you just address my point and TRY (key word) to refute my logic? 
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Wednesday, 11/Nov/09, 1:55 AM | Message # 23 |
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how do i sound like a creationist? so what is your argument supposed to show? we all have faith so what?
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| eboyd |
Date: Wednesday, 11/Nov/09, 2:56 AM | Message # 24 |
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One of the biggest things you atheists claim is that you, in fact, DON'T have faith.
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Wednesday, 11/Nov/09, 3:31 AM | Message # 25 |
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Quote (eboyd) One of the biggest things you atheists claim is that you, in fact, DON'T have faith maybe you're confusing faith with blind faith, i've always believed i have faith, what i don't have is blind faith.
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| eboyd |
Date: Wednesday, 11/Nov/09, 8:56 AM | Message # 26 |
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Well played I think someone like Dawkins would have found a sound refutation though. I'll deal something else your direction later though
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Friday, 13/Nov/09, 4:37 AM | Message # 27 |
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Quote (eboyd) I think someone like Dawkins would have found a sound refutation though. lol well i'm no Dawkins, truth is i don't know shit about physics etc, i'm surprised you didn't even try moral absolutes and the ressurection of Jesus as evidence for your faith, thats where most apologists go after they establish that all people have faith.
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| eboyd |
Date: Friday, 13/Nov/09, 11:42 AM | Message # 28 |
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If you haven't noticed by now, I am not trying to mock Christian apologists, but instead trying to honestly rationalize being a Christian with the knowledge that I currently have so that I can have an unbiased opinion who has come to some unbiased conclusions to be able to strongly refute the points of my opposition and, just maybe, actually convert back to Christianity or at least deism if and when I find a good reason to believe again.
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| s0dr2 |
Date: Friday, 13/Nov/09, 2:40 PM | Message # 29 |
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off topic, but u could take an interest in saints who have converted, though their reasons may not be what youre looking for...at least youre open to the idea anyways why not also debate real atheists here (who may give better answers)
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
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| eboyd |
Date: Friday, 13/Nov/09, 2:53 PM | Message # 30 |
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We could. Idk. We'll see.
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