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Philosophy Accomplishes Goals That Religions Wish They Could
Menace Date: Tuesday, 01/Dec/09, 7:11 PM | Message # 61

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8diagrams you make no sense please stop

s0dr2 Date: Tuesday, 01/Dec/09, 7:21 PM | Message # 62

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8diagrams you make no sense please stop

lol

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Fuck, why am I asking this? I don't give a shit. Only religious fundamentalist idiots correct people when they call Christianity a religion.

that implies that Christians need correction when they call it a religion...but w/e

couldnt one's religion be their philosophy? dont they both attempt to discover "the truth"...i guess one also includes faith w/e


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Menace Date: Tuesday, 01/Dec/09, 7:24 PM | Message # 63

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"Socrates says that he has to refute two sets of accusations: the old, longstanding charges that he is a busybody, and a curious person who makes inquiries into the earth and sky, and the recent legal charges that he is guilty of corrupting the young, and of worshipping supernatural things of his own invention instead of the gods recognized by the State (18b-c)."
Duh...

that has nothing to do whit what you were talking . Religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs. So yes Christianity is a religion

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couldnt one's religion be their philosophy?

philosophy in general is not theistic for example Buddhism many call it a religion but its not


s0dr2 Date: Tuesday, 01/Dec/09, 7:32 PM | Message # 64

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Oh fuck man I thought you were talking about my response to the fucking...ah, whatever.

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eboyd Date: Tuesday, 01/Dec/09, 7:56 PM | Message # 65

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8, You do realized there is about as much proof of Socrates existence as there is for Jesus, right?

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I_Guy Date: Tuesday, 01/Dec/09, 10:45 PM | Message # 66

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how come back then everyone believed in God and Christianity? what changed? like it seems that everyone in the scientific community now looks down on religion

Because the late Enlightenment came. People started to trust their rational thought and disregard emotional attachment to religion. And more people began to listen to them.

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Exactly they killed Socrates for that same reason.

Man there is speculation that Socrates killed himself.

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"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

Ironic, Twain was an atheist. I got another good quote, "Christians are like a council of frogs in a marsh or a synod of worms on a dunghill, croaking and squeaking, 'For our sakes the world was created.'" -Celsus


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eboyd Date: Tuesday, 01/Dec/09, 11:06 PM | Message # 67

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We have as much proof of Socrates as we do of Jesus. Maybe a tiny bit more

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I_Guy Date: Tuesday, 01/Dec/09, 11:20 PM | Message # 68

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We have as much proof of Socrates as we do of Jesus. Maybe a tiny bit more

Yeah, we just consider it more reliable.


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eboyd Date: Tuesday, 01/Dec/09, 11:26 PM | Message # 69

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Also, Socrates' actual existence is of no consequence. It's only the teachings attributed to him that matter.

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YANHAP1 Date: Wednesday, 02/Dec/09, 6:01 AM | Message # 70

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Religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

From what i can make out many forms of Buddhism do just that infact any monastic form of Buddhism does exactly that.
Tibetan Buddhism borrows or retains the pantheistic expressions of Buddhisms Vedic roots, Chinese and SE Asian Buddhist expressions worship idols though explained, by the clergy for want of a better word, as avatars of a "Godhead" they are viewed by lay people ostensibly as Gods.
Buddha himself (or selves) and the Bodhisattvas are at best described as the perfection of humanity, which in terms of the "flawed" human condition could only infer to the "super human".
All forms of Buddhism manifest as a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
Only the creation part differs though as an expression of an innate yearning for return to the Buddha mind through the trail of suffering it again infers to the "superhuman" source of existance.
Buddha.
Though unlike the Bodhisattvas is rested in Nirvana in a state of non-existance as is the Mind and existance itself, the illusory nature of being.
Life is suffering.Suffering is in the mind.The mind does not exist.

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philosophy in general is not theistic for example Buddhism many call it a religion but its not

The propaganda of clever Buddhists!


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s0dr2 Date: Wednesday, 02/Dec/09, 8:10 AM | Message # 71

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Because the late Enlightenment came. People started to trust their rational thought and disregard emotional attachment to religion. And more people began to listen to them.

And Isaac Newton or Rene Descartes couldn't figure this out back then?

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Ironic, Twain was an atheist. I got another good quote, "Christians are like a council of frogs in a marsh or a synod of worms on a dunghill, croaking and squeaking, 'For our sakes the world was created.'" -Celsus

It's still a good quote - I don't get Celsus', although it's funny he was an opponent of Christianity in the 2nd century (Menace).

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And about the Jesus/Socrates thing... if Jesus didn't exist, how do you explain all these events taking place right after his supposed death?


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Menace Date: Wednesday, 02/Dec/09, 8:35 AM | Message # 72

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From what i can make out many forms of Buddhism do just that infact any monastic form of Buddhism does exactly that.
Tibetan Buddhism borrows or retains the pantheistic expressions of Buddhisms Vedic roots, Chinese and SE Asian Buddhist expressions worship idols though explained, by the clergy for want of a better word, as avatars of a "Godhead" they are viewed by lay people ostensibly as Gods.
Buddha himself (or selves) and the Bodhisattvas are at best described as the perfection of humanity, which in terms of the "flawed" human condition could only infer to the "super human".
All forms of Buddhism manifest as a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
Only the creation part differs though as an expression of an innate yearning for return to the Buddha mind through the trail of suffering it again infers to the "superhuman" source of existance.
Buddha.
Though unlike the Bodhisattvas is rested in Nirvana in a state of non-existance as is the Mind and existance itself, the illusory nature of being.
Life is suffering.Suffering is in the mind.The mind does not exist.

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philosophy in general is not theistic for example Buddhism many call it a religion but its not

The propaganda of clever Buddhists!

what defines THEISM and religion in general is the belief in a supernatural entity in a God where in Buddhism there is no such thing everything regarding spiritualism doesn't always equate theism and inherently RELIGION. In Buddhism there is no superhuman agency or agencies some time ago some western Christian thinkers called Buddhism atheistic because it lacked this monotheist or even polytheist quality of all religions . So please do your research


YANHAP1 Date: Wednesday, 02/Dec/09, 9:28 AM | Message # 73

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Then what is reincarnation if not supernatural as it certainly cannot be measured or proved scientifically.

Or Karma for that matter?

Or the basic premise of a pure supra conciousness that trancends space time and existance itself?
The Buddha or Allah by the same definition to some Muslims.

Would it surprise you to know that many Islamic Scholars find great commonality between Buddhism and Islam?
And yet the denial of God is one of the greatest sins in Islam.

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Religion is a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

You now throw in the term THESIM as though it changes the outcome,Religion was and defined by yourself.

You gave a definition which i refuted, factually, and i stand by that refutation.

Like it or not some people worship Buddha as a God, a practice i have witnessed personally, Dhalai and Pachen Lamas were revered by the masses as God Kings.
Fact.
There is much supernatural folklore established around Buddhism, wether its tenents precribe it or not, the masses choose to view it through such mediums and treat it as a religion supernatural entities and all.
It is what it is.
I have practiced traditional Kung Fu for many years under a Chinese Master and participated in many Chinese Buddhist festivals all around the U.K and Hong Kong included, there are practioners who practice Hsien Gung to envoke "spirits" and even "dieties" and consider themselves Buddhist.

You read what you read i'll experience what i experience.

I do find it laughable that you'll cite Christian thinkers in your arguement as though they have the definitive outlook on exactly what constitutes God.

Everything is textbook definition with you which does'nt always come off as reality.

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I_Guy Date: Wednesday, 02/Dec/09, 3:29 PM | Message # 74

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And Isaac Newton or Rene Descartes couldn't figure this out back then?

No. Their ideas have been transcended.

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I don't get Celsus', although it's funny he was an opponent of Christianity in the 2nd century

What don't you get? Scary though, many of his predictions about Christianity did come true. We did fall into an age of barbarism (dark ages). Development was set back a thousand years. He saw it coming.


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eboyd Date: Wednesday, 02/Dec/09, 3:30 PM | Message # 75

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i'm getting tired of this fucking thread. what should we do with it?

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