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Poetry and Hip Hop
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| eboyd |
Date: Thursday, 26/Feb/09, 7:19 AM | Message # 1 |
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alright man, i think i know what it is. there is this little confirmation thing and i have to wait until like Friday for my bank statement so i can get some sort of passcode. i will let everyone know when that is done. it's good though because it keeps this shit secure. also, i get closer and closer by the day to making progress with artists. i am working with this guy who runs the studio i go to on getting production for myself from Dustin and Logan Valencia, AKA Clutchy Hopkins/Misled Children (they play all the instruments live too. it's pretty cool), getting that interview with Percee P, etc., and on top of that, every Wednesday i go to a workshop where i get to share my music and poetry and Leila Steinberg runs it. you may remember her if you have watched the 2pac documentaries. she was his first agent. anyways, i performed my White Man poem in front of her today and there was heavy applause and after the applause died down she asked me to come with her to a larger venue next Wednesday and perform it. maybe this will be another avenue for our movement to take. i have a lot of people who have my back at this point though and this dude who is cool with Perce is really digging the direction i am taking and me and him always chat it up extra long after leaving the studio. he wants to help me turn White Man into a track and this dude can (and has) gone toe to toe with Madlib so i'm getting top notch production here. he has been giving me free albums and shit that he has made and he doesn't just do that for anyone. i've only known this guy for 2 weeks too so the relationship is likely to only get closer as time goes on (*knocks on wood*  ). anyways, i'll keep everyone posted here in the OGs/Heads section. i know this is the Heads forum, but it's cool where it is. oh, and in case you are unsure, here's a pic of Leila. this may help you remember her: 
my new theme song
erikboyd60@hotmail.com
"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"
-T.S. Eliot
battle record:
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Friday, 27/Feb/09, 1:25 AM | Message # 2 |
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Quote (eboyd) White Man into a track as soon as i had heard that one i thought it would be amazing as a track. my fave of your tracks.
http://chirbit.com/emseed
http://youtube.com/siwooot
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| eboyd |
Date: Friday, 27/Feb/09, 12:56 PM | Message # 3 |
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Lol! That's great, but I've been getting SOOO agitated lately because everyone likes it so much and never gives a fuck about my more complex work. The poem is great message-wise, but the actual skill level I was at with it is TRASH! It is very poorly written. I get mad because I perform it in front of everyone and the crowd ERUPTS, but when I perform my other work I get dismal claps =/ I have far superior works that no one ever responds to more than a warm gesture because my lyrical content goes above my crowd's heads.
my new theme song
erikboyd60@hotmail.com
"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"
-T.S. Eliot
battle record:
7-0-0
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| Menace |
Date: Friday, 27/Feb/09, 12:59 PM | Message # 4 |
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it's not always about lyrical structure Erik and you know that it's always how the verse hits the listener in this age when raps don't make sense a dose of reality it's needed even if that dose is not structured that well
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| Menace |
Date: Friday, 27/Feb/09, 1:01 PM | Message # 5 |
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and i gotta say the White Man idea is pretty unique so that's why you get such feedback
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| eboyd |
Date: Friday, 27/Feb/09, 1:11 PM | Message # 6 |
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Woops! Someone delete that! I thought I was in another thread! Lol!
my new theme song
erikboyd60@hotmail.com
"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"
-T.S. Eliot
battle record:
7-0-0
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| eboyd |
Date: Friday, 27/Feb/09, 1:21 PM | Message # 7 |
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Here's my real response! I am well aware that poetry is not about structure anymore. My poetry, though I occasionally create a structure, is usually not structured. It is the lyrical complexity that turns these specific audiences off because the audience has tended to be people who, when they think poetry they think "The Rose That Grew From Concrete" by 2pac. I read, and write, contemporary poetry. Though I may be a bit more old-fashioned than most, I am still a poet who writes contemporary poetry. I am just not a Slam Poet and that is what the audience I am speaking to is looking for.
my new theme song
erikboyd60@hotmail.com
"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"
-T.S. Eliot
battle record:
7-0-0
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| Menace |
Date: Friday, 27/Feb/09, 1:24 PM | Message # 8 |
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nobody mentioned dance songs in dance songs you don't need to have positive shock value IMO and I'm not against dance songs i admit i do frequent clubbing so it would be hypocritical of me but people are on this shit cause its all around them all the time its not cause they want it they don't demand it
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| Menace |
Date: Friday, 27/Feb/09, 1:25 PM | Message # 9 |
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ohh i understand now but my first reply still stands
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| eboyd |
Date: Friday, 27/Feb/09, 1:36 PM | Message # 10 |
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Lol! Read all of my comments first! I see that you did now. W/e. But dude, you act like I didn't counter that first comment with my second one. Respond damn you!
my new theme song
erikboyd60@hotmail.com
"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"
-T.S. Eliot
battle record:
7-0-0
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| Menace |
Date: Friday, 27/Feb/09, 1:41 PM | Message # 11 |
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yes i understand everything but the content sometimes outshines the structure you gotta get used to it and now days Slam Poets and slam poetry is more relevant it connects much better whit the audience then the traditional one and its a misconception in people's minds that traditional poetry is a elitist thing
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| eboyd |
Date: Friday, 27/Feb/09, 1:52 PM | Message # 12 |
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No, not my point at all. I've been surprised by Slam Poets (mainly Saul and Patricia Smith) but most put performance and shock value over something being well written. Hold up, I'm gonna bring two examples, one of bad Slam poetry and one of good CONTEMPORARY poetry. When I say traditional, that doesn't mean Shakespeare style, or even TS Eliot style, it means stuff that is meant to read well on paper as well. Gil Scott Heron, though a great mind of the Civil Rights Movement, was not the greatest writer. Take Patricia Smith for example. Though she could be considered a Slam poet, her vast body of work is written, contemporary poetry, including "Skinhead" which is both well written and well performed. Most slam poetry just suffers the fate of not being well done when it comes to writing. Hold up, I'll show you those examples.
my new theme song
erikboyd60@hotmail.com
"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"
-T.S. Eliot
battle record:
7-0-0
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Friday, 27/Feb/09, 4:54 PM | Message # 13 |
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Quote (eboyd) Lol! That's great, but I've been getting SOOO agitated lately because everyone likes it so much and never gives a fuck about my more complex work. The poem is great message-wise, but the actual skill level I was at with it is TRASH! It is very poorly written. I get mad because I perform it in front of everyone and the crowd ERUPTS, but when I perform my other work I get dismal claps =/ I have far superior works that no one ever responds to more than a warm gesture because my lyrical content goes above my crowd's heads. i think those other more complex poems you wrote, a better suited as poems rather than tracks, but the white man one would make a good track coz of its message.
http://chirbit.com/emseed
http://youtube.com/siwooot
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| eboyd |
Date: Friday, 27/Feb/09, 5:22 PM | Message # 14 |
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see, that's the thing. poetry has been made into music for YEARS and it works just fine. one of the biggest things hip hop has been good for is being a good vehicle for mixing music and poetry. why can't written poetry be successfully made into music? part of making good poetry is making it SOUND good. that part i am referring to is the meter. if the meter is bad the poem may be good, but not in a complete sense. you make a rhythm with your words. that is how you make good poetry. the rhythm can be anything, but you are trying for a rhythm. and of course, like all art, you must know these rules first just so that you can break them. that is why artists like Cecil Taylor, Ornette Coleman, etc., were virtuosos on their respective instruments, having been trained to play for YEARS, but they chose to make an art out of playing their instruments like kindergarteners who decided to dig into daddy's garage and found his piano, saxophone, etc. and just started messing around.
my new theme song
erikboyd60@hotmail.com
"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"
-T.S. Eliot
battle record:
7-0-0
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Friday, 27/Feb/09, 9:13 PM | Message # 15 |
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i could deffinitely see those track you made Opinions and Perseverance etc and interludes on an album, if i was putting together an album i'd want to get some tracks like that as interludes with a real mellow beat, or maybe just drums and nothing else.
http://chirbit.com/emseed
http://youtube.com/siwooot
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