good night everybody..

I personally wouldn't care if I always have to resort to the underground to find real hiphop to be honest.... and Menace, you're only speaking on hiphop from a musical side and a business standpoint... I speaking on hiphop in general, Artist who completely support the culture can keep the culture alive by putting out records they're not making much money off and by rallying the way they used to and shit, U know what I mean?!?!.... Just doing small things like this to show that we as a culture still care for and love the essence can show, prove and teach the new generation that hiphop is not what they see and hear everyday which in turn might change the state we're stuck in..... it's not gonna happen over night. Also, you say that indie labels can't save hiphop but as long as they're around putting out that real shit then hiphop will always be saved in my opinion...it's been commercialized since SugarHill but a lot of people feel that's hiphop in its purest form...it's a confusing issue

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true, n some just want to be youths and have fun, i really can't blame them. they are to young to be bothered by all this, its their time to live there lives, not trying to save a culture they know nothing about, i bet most have no idea and think hip hop is just rap the gene so they dont know what all the fuss is about but slowly we do find the ones that do care and learn from groups like ours.

well the problem is more deep here whit the youth and goes deep into the fabric of society the youth lost their collective conscience people in general lost their collective conscience the system made people passive a revitalization is needed and one will come whit another Vietnam or even another Cold War

it's not that simple Mak you can't fight against people that control public opinion you can't break the barrier if your underground you can't save hip hop in general as a social culture if your underground the dynamics of social movements shows that we are on the brink of extinction on the bring of decline we can see that in the merger of hip hop and pop culture we are loosing our unique identity we as undergrounds and indies we are a minority we as a minority we can't save our culture because we need majority support a minority is impossible to save a social culture look into the life cycles of other similar social movement as ours it's the same chart we are not the only ones that were sucked into this universal vacuum it happened again and again the same way it happens to us and note that commercialization is not the problem the problem is monopolization because this monopolization affects us as a culture and our music directly

mneh... you just gotta believe bro' - your views above were once the same for Christianity.... The powers in charge did everything they could to bring it down and its now the most popular religion right?!?! I know that's not a great example but as long as the "teachings" stay around and the "preaching" of the essence holds on then it'll be fine.... HipHop is in the heart of those that embrace the culture..NOT in the hands of those who we think "own" it... it's not theirs!!! They can keep it off the radio, sure... but they can't take it off the streets or out of our hearts and ears...there Will ALWAYS be a resource for real hiphop music and hiphop in general will stay around...the cycle of this bullshit pop rap will end when a new genre takes over and the heads who were once into pop type hiphop will be forced to go to the underground for their beloved "rap music" and will be opened up to a whole new world... the REAL HIPHOP world..................

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you can't compare those 2 they are incomparable and note that everybody said the same thing in the hippie movement in the Punk rock movement and many other movements all these movements are musically different but are culturally the same and none of them survived it's the life cycle as we die they die they could survive and present alternative ways of thinking alternative life styles and such as they do but we live in a society where business is above everything where the pursuit of money is above everything even self survival

Bro'... the hippie movement was HUGE and still plays a significant role...shit in a way you're a hippie, I'm a hippie, many of us are hippies!!! LOL - Music NEVER dies within an individual...maybe we've reached our peak, who knows?!?! but I'm happy to say I lived and grew up with the BEST era in HipHop if thats the case, and that part of it will ALWAYS go with me and define who I am... I guess you'll be one of the weak ones who lets it die?!?!?....... I just don't feel it will ever die completely.... when I'm 50, that shit'll be cool again. There's youth growing up now that say fuck the weak shit on the radio and they Jam to Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd etc..... So apparently there's hope.... Half the people on this site are young and are recognizing the essence and growing to love it, so what's the problem?... I think you're just way too negative and focus on these social and economical issues too much.

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and who are you to say "You can't compare those two"????? You ALWAYS compare some outrageous shit bro'

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