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Born to Use Mics: Reading Nas's Illmatic
ALCATRAZ Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 4:13 PM | Message # 16

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my mind is closed to the possibility of me being wrong

LOL this quote should be placed in your sig, in bolded letters. :D


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eboyd Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 4:44 PM | Message # 17

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i don't find that funny. it's a very demeaning statement imo. i pride myself in being open minded actually.

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abanks47 Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 4:47 PM | Message # 18

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it could be. it might not. you would have to listen to find out. Kool G Rap got Haylie Duff (Hilary Duff's sister) on the hook for one of his songs on a Premo beat and it was definitely hip hop. it isn't the artist, but rather the individual songs that are "hip hop music" or "pop music" and when an artist makes more of one or the other or gravitates toward making one or the other, he becomes either a pop artist or a hip hop artist. on top of that, it isn't an absolute thing. a song isn't either hip hop or pop or rock or blues or funk. think about it like this: you have a big fucking 2-dimensional diagram with sections that sort of fade into each other, sort of like a spectrum. a song can fall between two sections anywhere they please, but we can determine what type of music to consider the song by where it falls more directly. if it is sort of in between hip hop and pop, but more on the pop side, it's pop music. if it is more hip hop, then it's hip hop music. toward the middle it is a bit more subjective, however, because of how close it is to the middle. sure, you can say this is arbitrary, but aren't most human constructs? we then can say the same for all music. is division in music itself not arbitrary? so i guess the lines between blues, jazz, rock, soul, funk, R&B, classical, etc. are all arbitrary. i guess it's all just music. and let's take it a step further. music, cats, tables, earplugs, remote controls, donuts, etc. are all just things. i mean are those distinctions not just as naturally arbitrary as the distinctions between music? and what about words? "think", "the", "Cambodia", "aliens", "resolution", etc. are all completely arbitrary. so basically, language itself is, without our signification, completely arbitrary. but for us to communicate effectively at the level that we do, language is absolutely necessary. so using distinctions, like distinguishing sub genres of music from each other are useful. that's why when someone asks me what kind of music i listen to i say "hip hop" and when they say "oh, so like Lil Wayne" i say "nah, real hip hop" and people who know what that is know right away what i'm talking about. they may have their false assumptions that i'm calling Lil Wayne wack (i think he is, minus a handful of songs, but that's besides the point), but if it gets serious i just set them straight and either they rumble on because they're fucking stupid or they leave it at that. it is a term that is as necessary as, like i said, distinguishing between "Mexican food" like Taco Bell and authentic Mexican food (which i have had to do with people from the deep south when they come to California and i take them to a Mexican restaurant).

Im not disputing whether or not something would be considered HIP HOP or not im talking about what a person needs to do in order to be considered “REAL” in your eyes. Music is music to me and I don’t like label using labels to often as they tend to get in the way of accurate judgment. To me my favorite albums are “REAL HIP HOP”, Nas-Illmatic, Jedi Mind Tricks- Heavenly Divine, Dead Prez- Lets Get Free etc. and I feel they’ve earned this title in my eyes. That is an opinion that I wouldn’t pass off as a fact but I think a lot of cats tend to stamp there favorite artists as real simply to separate the “good” from the “bad”. I'm sure i can find a few quotes from credible sources labeling lil wayne as real hip hop but im sure no one on this site would agree

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my mind is closed to the possibility of me being wrong

LOL at that, why would you try to get someone to waste there time when there is no point to it? I think its a valid point

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i don't find that funny. it's a very demeaning statement imo.

so is comparing slug to illmatic


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El_Matador Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 5:19 PM | Message # 19

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Damn, I want to read that shit so badly

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eboyd Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 5:28 PM | Message # 20

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Lol @ saying comparing Slug to Nas is demeaning :D that was a cute little jab ;)

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Adam Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 6:10 PM | Message # 21

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Fuck slug that name sounds disgusting anyway. NaS is a better name to.




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abanks47 Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 10:07 PM | Message # 22

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Lol @ saying comparing Slug to Nas is demeaning :D that was a cute little jab ;)

as you and the lil wayne comment, i dont find that funny


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“those who consider themselves the most adamant adherents of “real” hip-hop can also be the least knowledgeable.” –Adilifu Nama; an excert from his perception of Nas’s “Genesis”

eboyd Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 10:35 PM | Message # 23

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as you and the lil wayne comment, i dont find that funny

huh enlighten me please...


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abanks47 Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 10:38 PM | Message # 24

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i don't find that funny. it's a very demeaning statement imo. i pride myself in being open minded actually.

you said lol to
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so is comparing slug to illmatic

so i said i didnt find that funny either


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"I Have No Fear Whatsoever of Anybody or Anything" -Malcolm X

“those who consider themselves the most adamant adherents of “real” hip-hop can also be the least knowledgeable.” –Adilifu Nama; an excert from his perception of Nas’s “Genesis”

eboyd Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 10:51 PM | Message # 25

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you said lol to

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so i said i didnt find that funny either

i said calling me closed minded was demeaning, not calling Lil Wayne as good as (insert dope artist here). that would be a priggish thing to say and i don't understand what it will take to get you guys to understand that isn't and never will be my attitude.


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abanks47 Date: Monday, 18/Jan/10, 11:38 PM | Message # 26

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i said calling me closed minded was demeaning, not calling Lil Wayne as good as (insert dope artist here). that would be a priggish thing to say and i don't understand what it will take to get you guys to understand that isn't and never will be my attitude.

no one called you closed minded, you called yourself that.
just replace the lil wayne text in my quote with your close minded statement


A WELL DRESSED SKELETON SLOWLY CUTS YOUR THROAT.

"I Have No Fear Whatsoever of Anybody or Anything" -Malcolm X

“those who consider themselves the most adamant adherents of “real” hip-hop can also be the least knowledgeable.” –Adilifu Nama; an excert from his perception of Nas’s “Genesis”

eboyd Date: Tuesday, 19/Jan/10, 0:08 AM | Message # 27

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no one called you closed minded, you called yourself that.

why don't you read my actual comment:

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i'm open to your arguments too, so don't worry that my mind is closed to the possibility of me being wrong.

ALCATRAZ flipped my comment to mean the opposite of what i said.

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just replace the lil wayne text in my quote with your close minded statement

wtf?!


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abanks47 Date: Tuesday, 19/Jan/10, 2:15 AM | Message # 28

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Ive read your comment and you said that your mind is closed to the possibility of being wrong, which to me and this is what I assume Alcatraz took it as well is that you are unwilling to change your opinion.
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wtf?!

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as you and the lil wayne comment, i dont find that funny

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just as your close mindedness, i dont find that funny


A WELL DRESSED SKELETON SLOWLY CUTS YOUR THROAT.

"I Have No Fear Whatsoever of Anybody or Anything" -Malcolm X

“those who consider themselves the most adamant adherents of “real” hip-hop can also be the least knowledgeable.” –Adilifu Nama; an excert from his perception of Nas’s “Genesis”

eboyd Date: Tuesday, 19/Jan/10, 3:07 AM | Message # 29

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Ive read your comment and you said that your mind is closed to the possibility of being wrong, which to me and this is what I assume Alcatraz took it as well is that you are unwilling to change your opinion.

you are misreading my comment. i said not to worry that my mind is closed. i should have probably put don't think that my mind is closed. i understand your confusion, but that is not at all what i meant. i was saying quite the opposite of what you guys interpreted.

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just as your close mindedness, i dont find that funny

ah. like i said, i pride myself in my OPEN mindedness.


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ALCATRAZ Date: Wednesday, 20/Jan/10, 3:23 AM | Message # 30

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i don't find that funny. it's a very demeaning statement imo.

LOL @ eboyd getting offended by his own post LMAO


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