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The Difference Between Socialism & Communism
Menace Date: Monday, 06/Oct/08, 11:10 AM | Message # 1

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Socialism and communism are alike in that both are systems of production for use based on public ownership of the means of production and centralized planning. Socialism grows directly out of capitalism; it is the first form of the new society. Communism is a further development or "higher stage" of socialism.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his deeds (socialism). From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs (communism).

The socialist principle of distribution according to deeds— that is, for quality and quantity of work performed, is immediately possible and practical. On the other hand, the communist principle of distribution according to needs is not immediately possible and practical—it is an ultimate goal.

Obviously, before it can be achieved, production must reach undreamed of heights—to satisfy everyone’s needs there must be the greatest of plenty of everything. In addition, there must have developed a change in the attitude of people toward work—instead of working because they have to, people will work because they want to, both out of a sense of responsibility to society and because work satisfies a felt need in their own lives.

Socialism is the first step in the process of developing the productive forces to achieve abundance and changing the mental and spiritual outlook of the people. It is the necessary transition stage from capitalism to communism.

It must not be assumed, from the distinction between socialism and communism, that the political parties all over the world which call themselves Socialist advocate socialism, while those which call themselves Communist advocate communism. That is not the case. Since the immediate successor to capitalism can only be socialism, the Communist parties,-like the Socialist parties, have as their goal the establishment of socialism.

Are there, then, no differences between the Socialist and Communist parties? Yes, there are.

The Communists believe that as soon as the working class and its allies are in a position to do so they must make a basic change in the character of the state; they must replace capitalist dictatorship over the working class with workers’ dictatorship over the capitalist class as the first step in the process by which the existence of capitalists as a class (but not as individuals) is ended and a classless society is eventually ushered in. Socialism cannot be built merely by taking over and using the old capitalist machinery of government; the workers must destroy the old and set up their own new state apparatus. The workers’ state must give the old ruling class no opportunity to organize a counter-revolution; it must use its armed strength to crush capitalist resistance when it arises.

The Socialists, on the other hand, believe that it is possible to make the transition from capitalism to socialism without a basic change in the character of the state. They hold this view because they do not think of the capitalist state as essentially an institution for the dictatorship of the capitalist class, but rather as a perfectly good piece of machinery which can be used in the interest of whichever class gets command of it. No need, then, for the working class in power to smash the old capitalist state apparatus and set up its own—the march to socialism can be made step by step within the framework of the democratic forms of the capitalist state.

The attitude of both parties toward the Soviet Union grows directly out of their approach to this problem. Generally speaking, Communist parties praise the Soviet Union; Socialist parties denounce it in varying degrees. For the Communists, the Soviet Union merits the applause of all true believers in socialism because it has transformed the socialist dream into a reality; for the Socialists, the Soviet Union deserves only condemnation because it has not built socialism at all—at least not the socialism they dreamed of.

Instead of wanting to take away people’s private property, socialists want more people to have more private property than ever before.


Boner-Jamz-11 Date: Monday, 06/Oct/08, 10:46 PM | Message # 2

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we're talkin bout this in governments class

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Menace Date: Wednesday, 08/Oct/08, 1:24 PM | Message # 3

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NtG, you obviously know very little about the subject. let me describe it better; socialism is basically a society in which the government is in complete charge of the government and all business matters are run through the government. no independent businesses. therefore, when people work they all hold equal paying jobs. communism is an extreme form of this. in other words, it is a society in complete governmental control in which all citizens get an equal amount of rations and it often has a lot of problems because it relies on the government leaders to do the right thing and, as history has showed us, that NEVER happens, so communism usually ends up becoming a dictatorship.

yes but not really true cause hardcore communists have in their mind only ONE THING the dictatorship of the proletariat and to install it the dictatorship of the proletariat meens the dictatorship of the workers or the workers state and one thing more for NTG dont call me ever a communist its disrespectful to me cause my dad died in a anti communist revolution and its not political correct and one thing more the Communist Manifesto was written in 1848 by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in the purpose to overthrow feudalism and monarchy i dont know how u define feudalism but socialism even communism are not even close to being similar


AyDee Date: Wednesday, 08/Oct/08, 2:28 PM | Message # 4

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so how would a socialsit democracy work out??

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no independent businesses

can you give examples to what independant businesses are?


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Menace Date: Wednesday, 08/Oct/08, 3:07 PM | Message # 5

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can you give examples to what independant businesses are?

a corporation cause a corporation is not owned by the state

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so how would a socialsit democracy work out??

i dont advocate it i just said a example as i said i advocate Anarcho Libertarian socialism but : check it out

Democratic socialism advocates socialism as a basis for the economy and democracy as a governing principle. This means that the means of production are owned by the entire population and that political power would be in the hands of the people through a democratic state.

Socialism is based on the idea that the economy and means of production should be in the hands of ordinary working people,[1] or in older terminology the "working class". Democratic socialism involves the entire population controlling the economy through some type of democratic system.

Directly contrasting this is what some theorists call state capitalism in which a non-democratic state controls the means of production instead of the workers (as in, for example, the Soviet Union during and after Stalin's era). Some authors see democratic socialism as sharing many political ideas with social democracy, while others see them as radically opposed. Nevertheless, democratic socialists often share political parties with social democrats, such as the British Labour Party in the 1980s. Democratic socialism is the second-strongest current of socialism in terms of political success in free elections, immediately following social democracy.

Common ideas

Many types of socialism fit the above description, though many employ different methods for socializing the economy. Some common ideas are as follows:

* Economic planning: an economy that uses planning by elected representatives, geared for consumption rather than profit.
* # Nationalization: taking control of the means of production from the bourgeoise and giving it to the state is a common idea amongst groups that call themselves democratic socialists.The more libertarian strain (eg. the Socialist Party USA) advocates socialization/direct workers ownership and control instead of state ownership.
# A state: most democratic socialists support parliamentary democracy, although libertarian socialists favor decentralized communes and other forms of non-statist social organization.
# Workplace democracy: the application of democracy to the workplace is naturally supported by those that call themselves democratic socialists.


AyDee Date: Wednesday, 08/Oct/08, 4:50 PM | Message # 6

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hmm since ive seen the new zeitgeist movie im have lost alot of intersest in politics already, im leaning toward the resource economy thingy they mentioned

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Menace Date: Wednesday, 08/Oct/08, 5:10 PM | Message # 7

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hmm since ive seen the new zeitgeist movie im have lost alot of intersest in politics already, im leaning toward the resource economy thingy they mentioned

thats in politics called Anarchism all they talk about there and that venus project is based on Anarchism PURE ANARCHISM exact just what ive explained whit the society whit horizontal model and shit u remember?? i was just struck when i saw they use anarchism in their context and its original anarchism too


AyDee Date: Wednesday, 08/Oct/08, 9:10 PM | Message # 8

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2 words GO RUSSIA.
communism/socialism seems to work very well though

what are you talking about? russia is a horrible example of communism, now china is an economic giant, i still think communism is shit though


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ThaScience Date: Tuesday, 21/Jul/09, 6:20 PM | Message # 9

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theres a big difference.. if anyone thinks there similar needs a slap on the head. %)

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