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Sexy Capitalism
Kiba Date: Saturday, 11/Jul/09, 5:33 AM | Message # 1

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Pushing the moral limits for wealth?

Consumerism was never just about buying stuff.
It was about a faith in boundless economic growth.
Tomorrow brings more goods, more choice, more shopping.

It was about binding our personal identities with the
brands we bought and the market segments we inhabited.

It was about accumulating more goods as "reward"
for enduring less satisfying work live.

It was about social and community sructures where shopping malls become centers of community,
where suburbia and home ownership were vehicles for displaying our purchases.

It was about a cult of celebrity that lionized Trump,
Brangelina (Brad Pitt & Angelina Jolie) and Hannah Montana.
Fame means turnig yourself successfully into a commodity on the open media market
and becoming an icon of unlimited acquisitiveness.

One of many cultural side effects of capitalism is that the act of
selling shapes, the desires of a culture. We eat the fruit of Apple Inc.
because we consider the iPhone delicious. But did we arrive at this conclusion
on our own or has the smooth talker behind the press release shaped our desires?
The genius of capitalism is that it is constantly fiding ways
to turn desire in profit, but this is also a terrifying side of capitalism.

Every desire finds a market. Take the sick and illegal desire to rape children.
In capitalism, this desire is a business opportunity, just like any
other business opportunity. And if the desire exists or if it can be created,
it will be pursued and will be shaped.

In point Amazon.com recently pulled a new Japanese rape simulation game called
RapeLay from their selves. They continue to sell other rape simulations,
but this product turns the depravity notch up a few levels by putting
the player in control of a sex maniac from a rich and powerful family,
whose goal is to sexually assault and then rape a mother
and her two young virgin daughters. The game also includes a fucked up feature
called gang rape mode with up to five computer-controlled "friends".
And if the sexual violence gets boring,
players have the option of a "movie-making" mode while forcing the victims into having abortions.

New and disturbing levels of realism have also been achieved to keep gamers enthralled,
such as tears welling up in the eyes of a young girl as you sim-rape her

Rapelay has one of the most active player communities in Japan.
There are mods (google Rapelay materials) for every facet of the game from removing the censorship,
translating the game to English, Spanish and German, new clothes, new hairstyles and even new voices.
All developed and distributed for free by adoring fans.

Rapelay’s success in the three years since its release is something of a legend.
Not only has it produced two expansions already (and even talks of a movie) but
it’s even inspired a sub-genre of Rapelay copycats.

What do you guys think about this???? Should stuff like this be legal?

And no 8Diagrams (if you read this) i havnt played this b4, i got the info from a reveiw. 8diagrams


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J-Breakz Date: Monday, 28/Dec/09, 4:09 AM | Message # 16

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How many copies of this game been sold?

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I_Guy Date: Monday, 28/Dec/09, 10:54 AM | Message # 17

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How many copies of this game been sold?

Probably quite a bit if it sparked copy cat games.

It's just another example of capitalism succeeding at the expense of human dignity.


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J-Breakz Date: Monday, 28/Dec/09, 3:37 PM | Message # 18

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Probably quite a bit if it sparked copy cat games.

It's just another example of capitalism succeeding at the expense of human dignity.


Well it's great to hear about people testing the boundaries of freedom of speech. Games like this let's me know there is still some freedom in this world. I don't understand what's bad about this game.


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eboyd Date: Monday, 28/Dec/09, 5:34 PM | Message # 19

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^^^ ..................wow

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J-Breakz Date: Monday, 28/Dec/09, 5:42 PM | Message # 20

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^^^ ..................wow

There's games like gta where you rob, kill, and torture people. Entertainment like GTA doesn't cause people to go committing crimes. That's just used as a scape goat. People point out kids who have killed and used video games as their excuse are ignoring the fact that those kids are MENTALLY ILL. Rape is one of the most common fantasies among both men and women. I really don't see what's so wrong with someone carrying out fantasies. Doctors even say that playing out fantasies actually really help with the stresses of life.

Also we are ignoring how common it is to hear about couples roleplaying rape situations. I've actually had a gf that wanted to do something like that. We weren't together long enough to go thru with it but still the point is that there is nothing wrong with it.


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J-Breakz Date: Monday, 28/Dec/09, 6:06 PM | Message # 21

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And by carrying out fantasies I don't mean people going around raping others. I mean roleplaying with another that is alright with it also or a person playing a video game about it.

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J-Breakz Date: Monday, 28/Dec/09, 6:20 PM | Message # 22

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Additionally, there have been numerous hip hop songs putting rape or violence in either a positive light or made it humorous. One example I can think of is many songs by eminem. Yet I'm sure many people here would think it's silly to take action to prevent songs like that being made. If you don't like the game then do what I do and don't support it. But any attempt on banning this game would be even more unethical than the concept of the game itself.

I also think it's funny that Kiba brings up moral issue when his avatar would be disturbing to most people to say the least. A man killing a whole bunch of women, and there's a ticker keeping track of how many kills there are as if the man is being rewarded points for each kill.


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eboyd Date: Monday, 28/Dec/09, 6:36 PM | Message # 23

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There are certain things that we cannot accept in society. Do you not agree that actual rape is one of those things? While video games are not to blame for people raping others, killing others, etc., allowing such games to exist is sending the message that rape is socially acceptable. There are people who have fantasies to want to rape others due to psychological disorders onset by traumatic experiences. This creates a predisposition, but with rape not being socially acceptable, many of them don't act upon this predisposition (though they also often don't seek help for it). This game can actively work as a gateway drug for such individuals. I think what is important is to set up avenues for people with these predispositions to more easily confess to them and own up to them so that they may seek help. Allowing these games only makes the problem worse.

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J-Breakz Date: Monday, 28/Dec/09, 6:53 PM | Message # 24

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While video games are not to blame for people raping others, killing others, etc., allowing such games to exist is sending the message that rape is socially acceptable.

Where do you draw the line? What makes violence acceptable in art and entertainment but not rape? Maybe we shouldn't have any concept of stealing in entertainment and art because you know we don't want it to be socially acceptable as well! Do you understand where I'm going with this? We shouldn't have subjective emotions decide what people have a right to do, because a rational and consistent moral framework is impossible to maintain.

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There are people who have fantasies to want to rape others due to psychological disorders onset by traumatic experiences.

That would be a minority, that still doesn't explain why rape is one of the most common fantasies among adults both male and female.


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I_Guy Date: Monday, 28/Dec/09, 11:06 PM | Message # 25

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There's games like gta where you rob, kill, and torture people. Entertainment like GTA doesn't cause people to go committing crimes.

I don't agree with any of that dumb ass bullshit. Video games like that are a waste of time. Now when it comes to art there are many things that must be considered. We have to consider what the violence means. What is it trying to say in the artwork, what role does it play in the effects of other artistic elements. A rape game, or a game like GTA is a celebration of depravity. The violence means nothing, there is no ideology that it is trying to convey. It's all for profits and nothing else. But this issue also extends into the art. Some films, some music, some illustrations celebrate depravity in the same way. When violence and harm is celebrated and means nothing, that is when it needs to be shut down.

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That would be a minority, that still doesn't explain why rape is one of the most common fantasies among adults both male and female.

What the hell makes you think that rape is a common fantasy?


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J-Breakz Date: Tuesday, 29/Dec/09, 2:28 AM | Message # 26

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I don't agree with any of that dumb ass bullshit. Video games like that are a waste of time.

You've played a game that wasn't a waste of time? I haven't.

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Now when it comes to art there are many things that must be considered. We have to consider what the violence means. What is it trying to say in the artwork, what role does it play in the effects of other artistic elements.

Art is anything requiring mastering. Pornography is considered an art, making this video game could be considered an art.

1 : skill acquired by experience, study, or observation
2 : the process or product of deliberately arranging elements in a way that appeals to the senses or emotions. It encompasses a diverse range of human activities, creations, and modes of expression, including music, literature, film, sculpture, and paintings.

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A rape game, or a game like GTA is a celebration of depravity. The violence means nothing, there is no ideology that it is trying to convey. It's all for profits and nothing else. But this issue also extends into the art. Some films, some music, some illustrations celebrate depravity in the same way. When violence and harm is celebrated and means nothing, that is when it needs to be shut down.

It's entertainment, it's also an exercise of freedom of speech. Taking away that would be taking away freedom, and like I said before where is the line drawn? who is drawing this line? I can argue that GTA isn't a celebration of depravity, I can also argue pieces of good art is.

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What the hell makes you think that rape is a common fantasy?

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,921829,00.html


http://findarticles.com/p....nt;col1
http://www.askmen.com/dating/vanessa/27c_love_secrets.html


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I_Guy Date: Tuesday, 29/Dec/09, 3:06 AM | Message # 27

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You've played a game that wasn't a waste of time? I haven't.

Sure we can get caught up on values, but if we consider productivity as good, then video games are a waste of time. And sure we can argue what productivity is, but I'm confident you know damn well what I mean.

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I can argue that GTA isn't a celebration of depravity, I can also argue pieces of good art is.

Sure you can, and there will only be a spectrum upon which we find agreement or disagreement. The degree of correctness is determined by rational relations of all factors within a holistic analysis. Art is indeed a matter of opinion. But some opinions can be more rational than others.

Do you understand the emotional and intellectual process of an artist?


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J-Breakz Date: Tuesday, 29/Dec/09, 3:12 AM | Message # 28

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What are you trying to say? You can draw a line of what is allowed and what isn't?

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J-Breakz Date: Tuesday, 29/Dec/09, 3:16 AM | Message # 29

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Sure we can get caught up on values, but if we consider productivity as good, then video games are a waste of time. And sure we can argue what productivity is, but I'm confident you know damn well what I mean.

Alrite so really video games are useless for society. period. Not just GTA.


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I_Guy Date: Tuesday, 29/Dec/09, 3:39 AM | Message # 30

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1. That first article was first of all dubious, and second of all it was second hand.

First it gives a scenario in which a man "gently" rapes a women. This is the woman's fantasy. And then in goes on to say, "the surprising conclusion that men generally prefer to fantasize about being subjugated by a powerful woman." Then, "Ninetynine percent of the sadomasochistic fantasies were masochistic ones. Men just don't want to dominate women in their fantasies."

That is not rape. In both cases the women and men fantasize about BEING raped, NOT PERFORMING RAPE. You must not have understood the article (probably a quick google search copy and paste). This completely contradicts your argument.

Then "Even in the few reported sadistic fantasies, Friday found men looking for women's approval. 'A man might fantasize using softly padded handcuffs on a woman, so he won't hurt her wrists, or make sure that she enjoys the rape and has plenty of orgasms.'"

Now this would be a form of rape, but notice the reports are few. If this is considered rape then we must define the nature of this kind of rape. This is "soft" rape in which the women enjoys it. But that doesn't make it any less depraved. Besides, we embellish the acts of our fantasies. We beautify the act to satisfy the desire we have. Afterall that is why it is called a fantasy. Regardless how pleasant the rape fantasy is, the reality is that if the rape were actually to happen it would not be so pleasant. It would take a very dark turn. So if you say it isn't the celebration of depravity, then it is at least the embellishment of it. And that is no better. But the very fact that there is a debate among psychologists about whether video games (or other entertainment) cause real life manifestations of the games, should be enough to keep a watchful eye at the least, and at the most get rid of such games because they surve no decent purpose anyway. All it provides is another gateway to addiction celebrating depraved desires, which may actually elevate the desires into real life.

Furthermore, "The new book details 200 of the more than 3,000 fantasies sent in, and though they are hardly a random sampling, she thinks it gives a fair idea of what men daydream about." Yeah, sure, whatever justification that can get her books sold. That is not too convincing, perhaps because it is a second hand article, or it simply is as unconvincing as it sounds. This is no decent study. The source is questionable, Nancy Friday, is a small name, but I've never read her work so I can't comment. But as I said, unconvining due to poor presentation and dubious claims.

2. Second link is unavailable

3. Dude, seriously, did you just go copy and paste google links? Have you even read these articles?

Your last link,
"As mentioned in our Common Female Fantasies article, rape is a massively popular fantasy among women. Most psychologists believe this top 10 female sex fantasy allows a woman to have the wild, dirty sex she craves, without having to suffer the guilt that often follows. These female sex fantasies usually involve a gorgeous man carrying her off to his bedroom and quickly getting down to business. She’ll protest as he tears her clothing off and expertly arouses her body, but on the inside, she’ll love every minute of it. This continues to the point of penetration, and leads her to an incredible orgasm despite her earlier protests. This female sex fantasy allows a woman to be wanton and enjoy sex -- something society rarely permits."

Again this does not support what you say. This is another example of BEING raped, not PERFORMING rape. They are two entirely different fantasies with motives that come from different places. BEING raped is less depraved (if depraved at all) than PERFORMING rape.


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