I'm quite skeptic of Chavez i mean i love his Communal Councils and his council communist / participatory attitude but this top to down decentralization has her consequences too i mean his policies till now actually bettered Venezuela no doubt but we need to think about how much Chavez will keep his monopoly on the government ?? how much and how he will block the bourgeoisie ?? to what blocking so much the bourgeoisie will lead too ?? he must think this trough in my opinion he needs to socialize the industry not nationalize it socialization is the answer not nationalization if he does socialization on a large scale not on a small scale as he does he could kill 2 birds at the same time one he will abolish top down decentralization and trough socialization he will resolve the bourgeoisie so bang 2 major problems eliminated but power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely Chavez must read Bakunin

basically state is form of power and power corrupt EVERYONE trough out our human history mortas failed to the states power when mortals were givinen the power of the state they ultimately became corrupt and became tyrants so I'm basically saying abolish state ownership of the industry and put it into the collective hands of the workers of Venezuela

yes summed it in a short sentence when hierarchy is abolished man exploiting man is abolished when hierarchy is abolished power is abolished in abolishing power corruption and tyranny is abolished all these things are closely connected when you destroy hierarchy power excesses disappear it's not only logic is something natural

if someone breaks into my house so be it, luckily crime isn't as bad in nz as it is over there, and our government will never go rogue lmao, and neither will yours unless you live in a 3rd world country.

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The beauty about America is that some of the founding fathers were the most well-known anarchists ever lol. They put clauses in US law that explicitly states that should the government go rogue, American males over the age of 18 need to be ready because they are the militia that is part of the reason for the gun fetish. On top of that, certain founders of our country such as Thomas Jefferson have explicitly stated that in order to endure, America needs to go through a revolution every 25 years to keep the government in check. Overall I understand what you mean though. We aren't a 3rd world country.

While many of the US founding fathers were philosophical anarchists yes they were but these are the same people who said " Those who own the country will run the country " these are the same people that advocated minority rule and many other things that many today consider ELITISM. The problem of gun fetish in the US is way complicated as i already said it stems from the economic foundation of the US. Guns are necessary when there is a gap between those who own and those who don't between those who posses property and those who don't guns become necessary in human society only at that junction in human society
where it is split between those who have and those who don't. The US legitimized guns because the US privatized the monopoly on the legitimate use of physical force because in doing that the US stopped the progressive aspects of class development because in any society when a huge gap appears between classes progressive societies tend to have agrarian reforms these reforms were feared by the founding fathers and the ruling class of the US because when society became too split they the ruling class were obligated to cease their property to the impoverished classes so society can be refreshed. Because of this aspect guns were legitimized because capitalist private property in the US is GOD in person they made this cult to stop the progressive development of class society that's why the US was always backwards in everything regarding class society from Labor rights to Civil Rights to Women Rights and many other

everyone can be a philosophical anarchist but when it comes to putting it in practice everybody backs off Thomas Jefferson and Thomas Paine are well respected in left anarchist circles but nothing will ever stop us in replying where we don't agree whit them the relation between Karl Marx and us was the same