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Those notes about anarchy
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| ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 4:16 AM | Message # 16 |
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Quote (eboyd) but all in all, anarcho-primitivism is like that pissed off teenager who gets mad at his parents and runs away to live by himself as a bum on the streets.
I think every teen goes through this anarchy stage thing. I can tell that this is probably a phase for me. It's the whole rebellious, "fuck the man" thing..
Life's a bitch and I'm just along for the ride.
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 4:26 AM | Message # 17 |
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Quote (ilikebacon3000) I think every teen goes through this anarchy stage thing. I can tell that this is probably a phase for me. It's the whole rebellious, "fuck the man" thing.. see, but if you understand the logic in anarchism you will see that believing in self rule is not just a phase, it only makes sense. we just need to find a way to sustain it for a prolonged period of time.
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 5:23 AM | Message # 18 |
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Quote (eboyd) i agree that primitivism cannot be sustained on a large scale. that is why i think it would work if we broke primitivism up so that people live tribally, just like the Indians did for years, and instead of tribes competing, we live by a principle of cooperation among tribes. this, however, as i've stated, is not the best way to live. syndicalism, communism and socialism are far better. however, primitivism is still a vast improvement over capitalism. in fact, i have no problem allowing anarcho-primitivist societies to coexist with ones based on libertarian socialist values.
Yeah, primitivism has the most logical solution for reversing our impact on the environment and maintaining the health of the planet. But human beings would be left with a very ruff and tough life. The whole point of technology and civilization is to relieve our fear and discomfort that we find in the wild. So civilization and some form of domestication is the inevitable pathway given the nature of our logic and reasoning. We can't help but want things better and easier. Therefore the solution should lay somewhere in the middle of what we currently have and what the primitivists advocate. Both comprise the knowable great extremes.
We all know that each of our end is near; the question is do we accept the end of our living existence, or do we accept our existence as dead men...
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| Menace |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 11:03 AM | Message # 19 |
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Only radical democratic ideas can save the environment. Present ecological problems are rooted in deep-seated social problems, particularly in dominatory hierarchical political and social systems. These have resulted in an uncritical acceptance of an overly competitive grow-or-die philosophy. Social ecology is the answer not Primitivism .
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 12:36 PM | Message # 20 |
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Quote (Menace) Social ecology is the answer not Primitivism .
Social ecology is the pragmatic answer, but not the extreme logical one. That's all I mean.
We all know that each of our end is near; the question is do we accept the end of our living existence, or do we accept our existence as dead men...
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| Menace |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 1:18 PM | Message # 21 |
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Quote (I_Guy) Social ecology is the pragmatic answer, but not the extreme logical one. That's all I mean. What ? social ecology is the most logical answer for now . Primitivism is the pragmatical one in fact .
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 17/Jan/10, 1:25 PM | Message # 22 |
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Quote (Menace) What ? social ecology is the most logical answer for now . Primitivism is the pragmatical one in fact .
Primitivism IS NOT pragmatic/practical because it is far too much of a stretch to get there, but primitivism IS the most logical we can get, so much so that it reaches a point of complete deconstruction. Primitivists want to return the earth to its previous natural balance. The easiest way to do that is to either not exist, or to become primitive again. That IS the most logical, but it is NOT pragmatic/practical for us. However the ideas of social ecology is not so much of a stretch to get to and therefore it IS more pragmatic/practical, but it is not quite as completely logical as primitivism. Social ecology is logical enough to be practical/pragmatic, but it is not as logical as we can get.
We all know that each of our end is near; the question is do we accept the end of our living existence, or do we accept our existence as dead men...
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| HateMainstreamMusic |
Date: Thursday, 18/Feb/10, 8:35 PM | Message # 23 |
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i fail for not looking in this section of the forum... i always just click new messages over and over lol... thank you saw much for posting... anyway i borrowed 2 chomsky books.... hegemony or survival, and failed states... and i bought noam on anarchism... i started to read hegemony or survival and so far i can say its very well written and i love reading it.... i definitely see your point in this... it was pretty well written just to get your ideas out... thanks... the concept makes a lot of sense to me...
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| ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Thursday, 18/Feb/10, 11:31 PM | Message # 24 |
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Quote (HateMainstreamMusic) i definitely see your point in this... it was pretty well written just to get your ideas ou
me or the menace/iguy convo?
Life's a bitch and I'm just along for the ride.
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| HateMainstreamMusic |
Date: Friday, 19/Feb/10, 9:24 AM | Message # 25 |
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Quote (ilikebacon3000)
me or the menace/iguy convo?
your first post
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