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I know he did some messed up stuff, I'm just saying that he's not responsible himself for the indians being nearly wiped out, and that what he did is not as bad as the deeds of uncountable unnamed people.
Read what he did then talk, i just presented you historical evidence, he was the first westerner to begin the mass extermination of native people. When we talk about the Holocaust for example, we clearly see Hitler and his Nazi party not Rommel, Goebbels and others that participated in carrying those atrocities. He was the first, as he is remembered by his landing in the Americans he also must be remembered as the first to begin the native genocide.
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And I don't think that the mass production idea is evil.
We can debate this in another thread, the thing is that "scientific management" didn't help workers at all, its historically proven, the labor movement in the US is the prime example of this. Alienation of labor occurred on a much larger scale because of this. Workers invariably lose determination of their lives and destinies by being deprived of the right to conceive of themselves as the director of their actions, to determine the character of their actions, to define their relationship to other actors, to use or own the value of what is produced by their actions. Workers never become autonomous, self-realized human beings, but are directed and diverted into goals and activities dictated by the bourgeoisie, who own the means of production in order to extract from workers the maximal amount of surplus value possible within the current state of competition between industrialists.
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Whatever, this whole topic is stupid anyway. Can't rank evil, when evil is arguable. It's practically impossible to point out one man as the evilest of them all, and it seems pointless even.
I agree, that whole list is stupid anyway/
