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Acekat00o Date: Monday, 13/Oct/08, 3:00 PM | Message # 16

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-what can we do so that our revoltuion doesn't suffer the same fate?

Revolution not revoltuion


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eboyd Date: Monday, 13/Oct/08, 3:22 PM | Message # 17

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okay... but can you simply help me out here?
Acekat00o Date: Monday, 13/Oct/08, 3:37 PM | Message # 18

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Go here,some good info http://sfr-21.org/

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Acekat00o Date: Monday, 13/Oct/08, 3:42 PM | Message # 19

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hey,cant we apply for the Non-Profit program to uplift our organisation ? biggrin

http://uk.youtube.com/nonprofits?gb_info=1


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AyDee Date: Monday, 13/Oct/08, 4:16 PM | Message # 20

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what went wrong with the Cuban Revolution?

well che and fidel went seperate ways and the puppet dictator that fidel replaced was then replaced by another dictator in communist form


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Menace Date: Monday, 13/Oct/08, 4:30 PM | Message # 21

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Most people do not consider the problem of government: it is not a person, nor a family, but a detached bureaucratic thing by which a few must rule over others they have not met. It does not consider the finer points of individual cases, but creates rigid abstract rules which inevitably come into conflict. For this reason, most governments spend their time in internal conflict over interpretation of rules, and inevitably oppress their citizens by forcing them to obey detailed regulations which fit an "average" citizen, yet apply to no actually living human being.

An anarchist is someone who agrees that civilization should exist, but believes that government is a parasite not necessary for civilization. Government both oppresses the citizens and takes from them the responsibility of making society work. Instead of taking it into their own hands, citizens are trained to sit back and call some distant acronymous agency to help them out. By this method, we domesticate ourselves and make even the best among us weak and passive. Even worse, we hand power to the bureaucrats, who are by definition people who could not succeed in actual work, and therefore take paper-pushing jobs so they have power over others.

The average person considers anarchy a state without order, but when looked at practically, it can be seen as a different kind of order. Centralized authority requires we all obey a single authority, but anarchy requires decentralized governments in which we are each our own authorities, and responsible to each other to collaborate and maintain what is needed for civilization. In centralized government, you have to convince a bureaucrat or jury that what you are doing is correct, but in decentralized government, you must maintain cooperation with your fellow citizens by showing them constantly that you are doing what is right. Centralized government is like watching television: you sit back and relax and pay attention to the show, but you are not actually part of it, and until it gets so bad you change the channel, you put up with its mediocrities.


eboyd Date: Monday, 13/Oct/08, 6:20 PM | Message # 22

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from research i've done recently i've realized that many of the groups that have tried to push ideals such as anarchy and failed, did so because as they grew their members began to cause scattered violent riots which pushed the common folk away. the group that preceded the AFL is a prime example of this. as their membership soared past 700,000 they began to have failed strikes due to small bouts of violence and poor planning. in one instance an anarchist from their group was killed. they held a meeting to discuss actions and the police raided it. when the raid occured, an anarchist, not even confirmed to be a member, threw a bomb in the midst of the police officers. 7 were killed and the group disbanded almost immediately. this is one of many instances in which such a circumstance has occured. so do you really think a bloody revolution is the answer?
AyDee Date: Monday, 13/Oct/08, 6:45 PM | Message # 23

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so do you really think a bloody revolution is the answer?

Exactly! we cannot physically fight them it would be MADNESS(spartan voice)
peace and understanding is the key sucka!


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eboyd Date: Monday, 13/Oct/08, 11:50 PM | Message # 24

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OK, so let's continue these bullet points. we can almost turn this into a sort of agenda:

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also, help me add bullet points:
-why have past revolutionary organizations or other similar types of organizations failed?
-what can we do so that our revoltuion doesn't suffer the same fate?
-what went wrong with the Cuban Revolution?

-the American capitalistic society only works because we have faith in it.
-how do we make people distrust the system?


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AyDee Date: Monday, 13/Oct/08, 11:54 PM | Message # 25

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-how do we make people distrust the system?

by turning the central bank cartels into the antagonist in our story and the government as the greedy puppets


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eboyd Date: Monday, 13/Oct/08, 11:59 PM | Message # 26

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ah, but how do we go about that? also, i was hoping you would simply help me add on bullet points.

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Acekat00o Date: Tuesday, 14/Oct/08, 1:31 PM | Message # 27

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I hear you Menace,i understand every word you say and thats why im with you even if the revolution hapens tomorow

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eboyd Date: Tuesday, 14/Oct/08, 5:44 PM | Message # 28

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Menace, when i say the Cuban revolution failed, what i mean is that they failed to accomplish great quality of life in Cuba. on the contrary, they possibly even made it worse. it seems like this happens everytime a communist government (note: i didn't say socialist. Cuba is, in fact, a communism at this point, whether that was the goal from the beginning or not) is put in place. that is why America is so anti-communism, and in result, due to ignorance, anti-socialism too. my point is simple; do you want this to be the average revolution where we go through the same steps the men and women before us did and have minimal to no success? if your answer is no, then we need to look back in history and see why groups like the Knights of Labor (the group i was referring to. just remembered their name) and others, specifically ones that became violent or were violent all along, were successful and/or unsuccessful. i guarantee you will find that, at least here in the U.S., the non-violent groups tend to get more done. i would also, however, like to bring up this document of American law that states that (i am paraphrasing) should our government act in a manner that is rogue or unjust and, upon all appropriate measures being taken to straighten the rogue government beforehand and attempts are unsuccessful, all able bodied males in the United States between the ages of 18-55 are required by law to form a militia and overthrow the corrupt powers biggrin

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Menace Date: Wednesday, 15/Oct/08, 12:47 PM | Message # 29

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Menace, when i say the Cuban revolution failed, what i mean is that they failed to accomplish great quality of life in Cuba. on the contrary, they possibly even made it worse. it seems like this happens everytime a communist government (note: i didn't say socialist. Cuba is, in fact, a communism at this point, whether that was the goal from the beginning or not) is put in place. that is why America is so anti-communism, and in result, due to ignorance, anti-socialism too. my point is simple; do you want this to be the average revolution where we go through the same steps the men and women before us did and have minimal to no success? if your answer is no, then we need to look back in history and see why groups like the Knights of Labor (the group i was referring to. just remembered their name) and others, specifically ones that became violent or were violent all along, were successful and/or unsuccessful. i guarantee you will find that, at least here in the U.S., the non-violent groups tend to get more done. i would also, however, like to bring up this document of American law that states that (i am paraphrasing) should our government act in a manner that is rogue or unjust and, upon all appropriate measures being taken to straighten the rogue government beforehand and attempts are unsuccessful, all able bodied males in theUnited State between the ages of 18-55 are required by law to form amilitia and overthrow the corrupt powers

ok but did u read all my comment??? if u did read it already u will see my all points there if u didnt read it 5 times to understand and that document of American law can be countered very easily whit capitalist bureaucracy and as well as whit false allegations tellin the people that we have or we are connected and supplied by terrorists , communists etc. and as well as the media backin them up they will present us as terrorists who are using the constitution to install our reign of terror on the american people eric i see u forgot u livin the USA in a country were the leaders are fans of martial law by the way u forgot about the COINTELPRO ?? or the Agents Of Repression ?? all the movements of the 60's sand 70's failed to many is a blow but they failed cause the government is still pursuing a fascist agenda but now is a commodity time was left so that democracy to become a commodity for capitalism cause eric we talkin here about modern day capitalism not the old fashion one that cant be resurrected so democracy (the power of the people) became a commodity for capitalism and ultimately for monetarism so u must understand capitalism is the economic system democracy is the governing system so its a economic democracy (capitalist democracy) but still is a DEMOCRACY over the economic system and DEMOCRACY meens the power of the people but in our case its the opposite its not DEMOCRACY over the economic system its the economic system (capitalism) over DEMOCRACY and over the people thats why we have such a small regard over other people over the arts etc and thats why CREAM and by the way of CREAM biggrin thats why we see in hip hop now days that BULLSHIT money over bitches and all that cause hip hop reflects the reality of our society we see that commodity in the corporate music too in reality that's what transformed hip hop the corporate take over so in the end thats what others lack a neutral stand they were non-violent or violent they were fuckt up from both parts both of them we need to secure the both sides so we cant be fuckt whit and i can give u an example : Malcolm X after his pilgrimage to mecca he returned whit the idea to unite the civil rights movement ( non-violent ) whit the black nationalist movement ( violent ) if that was achieved a HUGE MONUMENTAL CHANGE happens but Malcolm was intercepted by the COINTELPRO and the FBI called the NOI to tell them the info cause that move could hurt the NOI and the government so we need a that kind of move to achieve our goals nobody had that so if we could do the same move we will make a difference from non-violent or violent from anarchist to liberal we need to unite thats how the ANTIFA work we use violence very rare but when its needed we use it


eboyd Date: Wednesday, 15/Oct/08, 5:07 PM | Message # 30

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ok, I agree with that then. We need to make use of this in the track too. We need to begin by arguing over whether to be violent or non-violent and come to this same conclusion. But it has to only be violence in extreme cases, like countering violence toward us.

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