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Conspiracy Theories Truths Or Lies
Menace Date: Friday, 03/Apr/09, 1:06 PM | Message # 1

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You hear about them all the time; clever Jews who steal money from nations to support their Israeli state, secret Freemasonic societies that hide occult truths about a future world government, powerful capitalists holding special meetings and dangerous satanists who sacrifice children to Satan. What all of these rumours have in common, is that they constitute what we often call "conspiracies," or the belief that historical, political and/or social events can be attributed to the power of a secret group.

There are different reasons to why conspiracy theories exist. Psychologically, it has to do with the mentality of most people. Even though politics and history are two very complex subjects, even more complex when you try to root out the cause to why certain things happen or do not happen, people like to simplify truth, because it's most convenient. Studying the underlying truth to certain events require some basic intelligence, fair study of history and a clear and open mind. This is too much to ask of creatures that spend their life working in an office, paying bills and watching TV.

So when things become too complicated, we simply look for a fitting scapegoat and attack that. It makes us feel powerful and good inside, knowing we've got someone or something to put the blame on for the events that are taking place. But conspiracy thinking has also a lot to do with the religious side of man. People tend to believe instead of study the truth. Religion is like a safety circle; as long as you're in it and repeat the dogmatic message, you're "OK." This is how millions of people can become obsessed with ideas they believe is real, without having anything to do with the actual reality. Truth is not their concern; they want to live in their fairy tale world where everything function according to their social agreements.

Conspiracy theories move our focus away from how a system operates, to who's operating it. Herein lies the problem. When speaking of a whole society, nothing is ever solved by attacking people, rather than attacking ideas. The result of conspiracy thinking is therefore witch hunting; Neo-Nazis hunt down Jews, Leftists hunt down capitalists, Conservatives hunt down homosexuals and Christians hunt down Satanists. Among all this mess, the problems are still there, since no one's paid attention to them, rather than to figure out who were behind them.

Some people will stop here and say, "Look, Freemasons, Zionists and rich capitalists actually exist. Have you heard of the Bilderberg group? Illuminati?" Of course, we all have, but the question is: Does It Matter?

Conspiracy thinking divides people and creates two camps: those who believe and those who do not. This means that even if a conspiracy idea is true or partly true, and someone is able to debunk that conspiracy, the problem no longer exists. If you claim powerful capitalists are plotting to take over the world, and someone manages to prove your religious theories wrong, no one will bother listening to those who actually have something intelligent to say on the matter.

In other words, it's not really of any interest if these conspiracy groups and their activities actually exist or not. Nothing will ever be won by attacking groups or minorities, because that will always be either laughed at or condemned, allowing the secret societies to continue as before. In order to change a society one needs to change the system. Change the system and the conspiracy groups can no longer operate as intended.

There will always be people who dislike the current society and form groups inside of it, to try to counter it with "new ideas." These people are disillusioned, because you cannot reform a society by hiding inside of it or rebelling against it as an external force. You need to be an active part of it and change it from within, not as some secular sect, but as a public figure that has got a new, better way of running things.

This is not to say that conspiracies are harmless. History shows that small groups can earn a lot of influential power. Therefore a healthy society strives to create a strong consensus on values, suppressing those who try to create divisions among the people. In this light we understand that conspiracy thinking is neither harmless nor really effective. Intelligent people analyze events intelligently. They look at the structure of things, examine the design of political, social and religious systems, and find the weak holes.

Conspiracy thinkers are correct in that certain groups are able to take advantage of those holes, but are wrong in how to proceed. If we fix the hole, or in some cases reform the whole system, the "outsiders" haven't much to beg for. That is what Freemasons, wealthy capitalists and Zionists fear and that is where the ultimate solution to the problem lies.


ThaScience Date: Friday, 03/Apr/09, 1:20 PM | Message # 2

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hmm some i believe most i dont..

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Menace Date: Tuesday, 17/Nov/09, 11:40 AM | Message # 4

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Dookie Date: Monday, 14/Dec/09, 7:25 AM | Message # 5

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I think it does matter if the extremely rich people are involved in organizations such as these, and people wonder why the world is like it is. We throw billions at africa and there is little or no progress there.

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Conspiracy theories move our focus away from how a system operates

Only if a person allows the focus to be turned away from how the system operates, thats their fault if it does.
Is the current system really fair and just for everyone. Sure, i dont like people who make excuses, but is it really fair and just.


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Menace Date: Monday, 14/Dec/09, 12:09 PM | Message # 6

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I think it does matter if the extremely rich people are involved in organizations such as these, and people wonder why the world is like it is. We throw billions at africa and there is little or no progress there.

Well that's not happening because the ruling classes of various countries are in such organizations . Studying economics and political science opens ones mind . Those billions are not going to the motherland because the motherland as our society is divided in social classes . The unequal redistribution of social wealth is the problem not these fraternal organizations . The problem is deep within capitalism and her sister systems .

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Only if a person allows the focus to be turned away from how the system operates, thats their fault if it does.

Its not the peoples fault . Ever heard of propaganda ? The US and capitalist propaganda machine its more efficient then the propaganda machine of China the former Soviet Union or any other totalitarian country . Watch this documentary if you have time . It explores the propaganda model of the media.


eboyd Date: Monday, 14/Dec/09, 8:25 PM | Message # 7

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I think it does matter if the extremely rich people are involved in organizations such as these, and people wonder why the world is like it is. We throw billions at africa and there is little or no progress there.

these fraternal organizations don't only consist of rich people though. you say your grandfather is/was a mason so you should know this. i have friends that are masons. they are in the lower middle class. a majority of masons are middle class citizens. sure, the high ranking officials tend to be wealthy, like the 33* grandmasters or whatever they call them, but that's about it. the only two well known organizations that only consist of the bourgeoisie are the Skull & Bones (a fraternity at Yale) and the C-Street Church (a highly unorthodox pseudo-religious group that meets at a small building and has members that are involved in politics, though only a small few and the group has very little influence). neither of these groups is very large either. for example, you must be a student or alumni of Yale to become a Skull & Bones member and the C-Street Church's facilities are far too small to house the massive amount of people claimed to be members. lastly:

http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/alt.illuminati_FAQ.html


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eboyd Date: Tuesday, 15/Dec/09, 3:45 PM | Message # 8

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thx Menace, i just finished watching that doc. it's nice to see Noam Chomsky for the whole video. he gives you a good explanation of how he came to his views and also really explains the subject at hand well and shows how it is pointless to argue against these media figures because they like to try to discredit him on single things that he supposedly said (basically they "manufactured consent" or created a propaganda model to discredit his views on propaganda models lol! ie: they tried to claim that he supported the idea that there were no Nazi death camps when, in reality, he was simply supporting the freedom of speech of someone who supported this idea, while he radically opposed this person's views.

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