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How Do You Appreciate Art?
eboyd Date: Thursday, 30/Apr/09, 1:29 AM | Message # 16

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EmSeeD Date: Thursday, 30/Apr/09, 3:39 PM | Message # 17

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i just realized when it comes to hip hop for me it's all about the art and the way they can tell a story or make you think, if you look at my top mc's list the top 10 are all either story tellers or mc's that make you think, then the bottom half are all people that are lyrical but don't do that as much or well.

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I_Guy Date: Friday, 01/May/09, 11:19 AM | Message # 18

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The problem with art now days is that too much of modern art rides the dick of past greatness. If you consider the transition of art in all forms it is really amazing. Although I feel the integrity of what is considered "art" is in peril in some forms.

It's amazing:
Speaking for the western world,
for music you got it starting out with ancient Greece and Italy with simple music eventually developing for the church, this being the point at which many major instruments begin to be develop and all through the ages the music develops complexity. Until we get mid 2nd millennium with all the great composers. Nearing the 3rd millennium we got simple instruments getting into the hands of simple people (with cultural folk music from their European villages). Soon comes slave music (with African roots) mixed with American folk music. Country, Jazz and Blues develops, and out of that Oldies Rock, and soon modern Rock, Funk, Soul, Disco, and then the each of which have their own further developments (Rock to metal, Funk & Soul to hip hop (which reintroduces a new foundation of poetry), Soul to R&B) with a lot of subgenres of course (or further developments). And then with the introduction of digital technology we get weird as Techno, and Pop, and Pop Rap, and what not. It's just amazing to trace it all back. It's crazy to think that Pop Rap has evolved somehow from Jazz and Blues, WTF.

We all know the story of paintings. You got cavemen and the humans desire to capture the world around him on a visual spectacle. Civilizations developed and we get canvas paintings that reach a major pinnacle in the Roman Empire and the Renaissance. Then the styles and techniques change and we get variations of painting forms, but nevertheless it maintains the passion for translating reality to a fixed plane. All the way up until the early 1800s when an ancient myth is investigated and turned to reality. Technology again is introduced and Photography is born and advertised as "giving the ability of an artist (painter) to everyone with no need of the skill" Although photography never took off as an artform, it only functioned as a new form of documentation. But over time it develops and the artform is born. Motion study (using photographs) discovers cinema and with the inspiration of plays, silent films are born, moving into classic black in white, to now, bla bla bla.... Inspiring digital mediums of animation and claymation and stopmotion and other forms such as video games. Meanwhile the integrity of the actual artist (painter) is preserved translated into drawings and with the utilization of technology (photography) we get cartoons.

Sculpture died as a mainstream artform many years ago, although it does still pop up from time to time. Architecture is the closest thing to it. Although architecture in it's self is the most interesting because it combines (or at least used to combine) art and science (which are complete opposites) to produce its works of greatness. We see that greatness in Greek and Roman architecture and it's odd evolution into city buildings such as skyscrapers and government buildings.

But back to cinema, in my opinion it is the most complete artform (although sadly exploited). I believe this because it incorporates almost every medium of art into one gigantic presentation of artistry. It incorporates aspects of theater plays and the writing/scripting involved, photography, painting (sort of, in the form of storyboards and conceptual art), music (scores and musicals), sculpture (in some cases).

I just feel through the collaboration of so many artists, they present one great art piece comprised of several arts. (I'm speak about all this thinking of pre-1980s of course, back when movies were art). Many people find it hard to consider cinema as art because of the ruthless exploit through which it has gone. Why is it so exploited? Because it is so compelling. Why is it so compelling? Because it contains all the artforms that has ever interested mankind.

But yeah, anyways my point is.... thumbup


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I_Guy Date: Friday, 01/May/09, 11:34 AM | Message # 19

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Oh, yeah my point is how art rides the dick of great past art. I feel up until the 1980s, art had had an amazing and legitimate evolution. That is, until corporate industries figured that out and exploited the fuck out of it. And so now we have bullshit in almost all artforms that rides the genius of what was once great in each respective artform, created by shallow thinkers hypnotized by the corporation's enormous plan executed to secure profit. Society is dumbed down, we know that. As a result, we scramble back to the past greatness to try to make up for it. I mean think about it. Current cinema, what is it, a remake coming out for almost every move that releases. Don't even get me started on that shit. Cinema is fucked. Music we all know the deal with that shit. I won't even go into rap (lil Wayne is the epitome of the problem, -biter), but other forms of music are having the same problem. Healthy development has ceased or almost ceased to the point of virtual cease. I've heard about problems in the painting and sculpture world also, -the abstract art they claim as being genius infuriates classic art followers. Don't get me started on abstract paintings either! Poetry is dead, and fiction writing is dead as well. Everything just keeps on relapsing on itself over and over again, almost as if everyone is out of ideas (or just plain fucking shallow thinking -which I think IS the problem). Of course there are a few exceptions every once in a while, but they are getting few and far between. I see an art renaissance in the future.

Also the developments always seem to grow increasingly more dark. Movies have grown increasingly violent, sexual, and vulgar. But they've reached a plateau and can't go any further. It's the same deal with fiction writing. The latest developments in music provide mindless vulgar retard rap, and death metal is the latest major development of rock. Everything has reached a ridiculous dark point that can no longer go any further. That and the fact that American society has been getting more shallow, may account for the death of art here in the states.


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Acekat00o Date: Friday, 01/May/09, 1:57 PM | Message # 20

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Sculpture died as a mainstream artform many years ago, although it does still pop up from time to time. Architecture is the closest thing to it. Although architecture in it's self is the most interesting because it combines (or at least used to combine) art and science (which are complete opposites) to produce its works of greatness. We see that greatness in Greek and Roman architecture and it's odd evolution into city buildings such as skyscrapers and government buildings.

im going to be an arhitect ,so thanks for the compliment happy


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eboyd Date: Friday, 01/May/09, 3:45 PM | Message # 21

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Poetry is dead, and fiction writing is dead as well. Everything just keeps on relapsing on itself over and over again, almost as if everyone is out of ideas (or just plain fucking shallow thinking -which I think IS the problem). Of course there are a few exceptions every once in a while, but they are getting few and far between. I see an art renaissance in the future.

Also the developments always seem to grow increasingly more dark. Movies have grown increasingly violent, sexual, and vulgar. But they've reached a plateau and can't go any further. It's the same deal with fiction writing. The latest developments in music provide mindless vulgar retard rap, and death metal is the latest major development of rock. Everything has reached a ridiculous dark point that can no longer go any further. That and the fact that American society has been getting more shallow, may account for the death of art here in the states.

yes

as a poet i am ashamed to be a part of the current era in poetry, not just in respect to spoken word poetry either. written poetry of the day is shit as well. for example, here's one of the shittiest "poems" (note the quotations) i've ever read:

Loading a Boar
by David Lee

We were loading a boar, a goddam mean big sonofabitch and he jumped out of the
pickup four times and tore out my stockracks and rooted me in the stomach and I
fell down and he bit John on the knee and he thought it was broken and so did I
and the boar stood over in the far corner of the pen and watched us and John and I
just sat there tired and Jan laughed and brought us a beer and I said, "John it aint
worth it, nothing's going right and I'm feeling half dead and haven't wrote a poem in ages
and I'm ready to quit it all," and John said, "shit, young feller, you aint got
started yet and the reason's cause you trying to do it outside yourself and aint
looking in and if you wanna by god write pomes you gotta write pomes about
what you know and not about the rest and you can write about pigs and that boar
and Jan and you and me and the rest and there aint no way you're gonna quit," and
we drank beer and smoked, all three of us, and finally loaded that mean bastard
and drove home and unloaded him and he bit me again and I went in the house
and got out my paper and pencils and started writing and found out John he was
right.

^^^^this is the utter rubbish they call poetry in the latter half of the 20th century and the early part of the 21st. it's pathetic.


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