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What have you done for your country?
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| Chinita |
Date: Wednesday, 20/May/09, 10:46 AM | Message # 46 |
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Quote (ill) you said i dont know where i get my info... where do i get my info on what. you starting chatting poo about 40 people to a class and kids obssesed with drugs then said my sources are bad haha
where do you get your info means, where do you get your sources from. i said that because you said our children were in private schools which is wrong. our kids go to public crappy run down schools not private, only the rich put there kids in private school here. yes 40-45 kids in a class with one teacher, there aren't even enough seats for them that some sit on the floor or window seals.. do you seriously think that our kids are in private schools or get special attention by teachers or are tutured privately? you could never know what our schools are like here until you have children that are in them.
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| ill |
Date: Wednesday, 20/May/09, 10:48 AM | Message # 47 |
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lol maybe i worded it badly but thats not what i meant, i meant if you dont wanna pay taxes then you can try to pay for education which is very expensive
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| Menace |
Date: Wednesday, 20/May/09, 10:51 AM | Message # 48 |
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Quote (ill) lol maybe i worded it badly but thats not what i meant, i meant if you dont wanna pay taxes then you can try to pay for education which is very expensive you pay universal taxes from what i know you don't pay taxes for schools and shit schools are part of public domain so you pay for it regardless if you go there or don't bada bing bada boom man let's think bigger and let's understand how everything works
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| ill |
Date: Wednesday, 20/May/09, 10:56 AM | Message # 49 |
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thats the point man, you pay taxes and it goes towards a little bit of everything, it goes on roads even if you dont use them. im saying you cant really complain about taxes when if you spent the money yourself you couldnt buy shit
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| Chinita |
Date: Wednesday, 20/May/09, 10:59 AM | Message # 50 |
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Quote (ill) lol maybe i worded it badly but thats not what i meant, i meant if you dont wanna pay taxes then you can try to pay for education which is very expensive
oh we have to pay taxes or they come after u for tax fraud and once you owe the goverment money they put out a "motion against you" in court so either way they can trace you by ur social security number and get the money anyway they can by taking ur house, car and taking it right out of your paycheck, either way they get their money. Quote (ill) try to pay for education which is very expensive
yea the education here is very expensive, you have to try and take out a student loan but even that is hard right now then you have to pay it back or again they'll file a motion against you in court, come after you and take everything you have right under your nose and leave you in the streets.
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| Menace |
Date: Wednesday, 20/May/09, 11:10 AM | Message # 51 |
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Quote (ill) thats the point man, you pay taxes and it goes towards a little bit of everything, it goes on roads even if you dont use them. im saying you cant really complain about taxes when if you spent the money yourself you couldnt buy shit don't get me started on taxes man because it's something about economics and if i start talking people gonna call me an arrogant as they always call me on this website one thing i will say if the economy and the surplus is directly self managed by the people whit out any bureaucratic bullshit more things will be done and more quicker
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| Watcher chinita |
Date: Wednesday, 20/May/09, 11:40 AM | Message # 52 |
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[quote=menace]don't get me started [/quote] 
oh wow i keep getting logged off the site 
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| Acekat00o |
Date: Wednesday, 20/May/09, 1:06 PM | Message # 53 |
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Quote (ill) all the things are not what the countrys done its your unfortune
LMAO ,LOL ,ROFL
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| eboyd |
Date: Wednesday, 20/May/09, 3:01 PM | Message # 54 |
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My point, personally, is why should I thank my country for something that it's supposed to do using my money? I have a few analogies for this. Would you thank your kid for doing his/her routine chores? If so, why? They are doing something that they are supposed to do. Even (or possibly especially) if they are usually defiant and decide that day to do it, they still don't deserve praise for doing that which is routine. Second analogy: say you lend someone money just before your b-day. They go out with YOUR money and buy your gift with it. Does that gift mean shit? Do they deserve thanks. All they did was basically spend your money for you which is, to me, more of an insult than anything else, even if they buy something superior in my eyes to what I was planning on purchasing. Of course you could also look at it from the view that basically, even though it isn't exactly how it was when you had it, they returned your money. Even from this view though, do they deserve praise? No. They did what they were supposed to do. Now if they return it earlier than expected and add extra money into it that is different, but America doesn't do that. On the contrary, they borrow from you and don't pay you back but when you borrow from them they charge you interest and, yes, MORE TAXES!
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| Acekat00o |
Date: Wednesday, 20/May/09, 3:35 PM | Message # 55 |
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Quote (ill) all the things are not what the countrys done its your unfortune
the killing of 40.000 iraq civilians is an unfortune ? the fact the the US buget on terrorism is 164 Billion dollars (allthoutgh "terrorism" kills 64 peaple each year) and the buget on research for aids ,ebola and cancer cures is 1,6 Billion (allthought they kills millions of america each year) is an unfortune? the fact the you pay 30% of everything you earn in your life to the state is an unfortune ?
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| ill |
Date: Wednesday, 20/May/09, 3:41 PM | Message # 56 |
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you give a kid money to buy you food cos your too weak to walk and hes goes to the shop and he buys you food, do you thank him.. not that bit i meant his personal misfortune
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Message edited by ill - Wednesday, 20/May/09, 3:41 PM
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| eboyd |
Date: Wednesday, 20/May/09, 4:12 PM | Message # 57 |
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Yes, you do thank him, but that is not analogous because this presupposes that 1. They are actually do something for YOU personally with your taxes when 90% of what your taxes pay for benefits THEM; things like terrorism, building our army, etc., are a large part of what the money gets spent on and that doesn't help us. OK, so the trade center got obliterated by planes. Is it really important that we use that as an excuse to more than triple our budget on defense in lieu of giving money to better our school system, make sure that our middle class is as strong as it can possibly be, etc.? 2. It presupposes that we are unable to do those things ourselves. Your analogy makes the assumption that the average citizen is societally crippled. This is not true. Sure, maybe on an individual basis it is unrealistic to suppose everyone knows how to do everything, but as a whole, the society can handle anything that it needs to handle. Need medical treatment? Have a politician operate on you, right? No, you have a doctor operate on you, and when you can't afford his medical treatment, this is where taxes come in. In the U.S. this is a total scam though. We have this system of "medical insurance" and this medical insurance is unavailable to the people who actually need it. Countries like Canada and your beloved Great Britain have social medicine in which your taxes pay completely for your medical treatment and you get the same treatment as someone else, only, correct me if I'm wrong, if something is a serious issue, like you need a heart transplant, an exception is made and you are taken much quicker than someone with the flu for example. My point though is that since WE pay these taxes, the people to thank are not the government who alloted this money to this specific cause, it is the citizens who payed the taxes to the government, at an interest, who deserve thanks for this and no, contrary to what you believe, the common people are NOT the government. Read Aristotle's "The Republic," which, in large part, America's government is based on, and you will see that in no way are the people the government. No, instead the elite, who are educated in dealings that revolve around decision making, are the one and only government and these elite, in his eyes, are more valuable to a society. If you look at this idea in it's totality it is just as much if not more so of a utopian ideology than communism and simple direct democracy.
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| ill |
Date: Wednesday, 20/May/09, 4:23 PM | Message # 58 |
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Emcees
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but you ARE dependant on the services your tax dollllla bills provide, and yeah thank the people, the people make up the country
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| Menace |
Date: Wednesday, 20/May/09, 4:26 PM | Message # 59 |
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Quote (eboyd) Read Aristotle's "The Republic," which, in large part, America's government is based on, and you will see that in no way are the people the government. No, instead the elite, who are educated in dealings that revolve around decision making, are the one and only government and these elite, in his eyes, are more valuable to a society. If you look at this idea in it's totality it is just as much if not more so of a utopian ideology than communism and simple direct democracy. you mean Plato's Republic no ?? or you mean Aristotle's work to Plato's Republic ?? ohhh and maybe you misread Plato heavily criticized The Republic because rapidly it transforms into a oligarchy instead he advocated a monarchic system which we are governed by the Philosophers Kings of course he openly admitted it's heavily Utopian
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| Menace |
Date: Wednesday, 20/May/09, 4:35 PM | Message # 60 |
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Quote (8Diagrams) but you ARE dependant on the services your tax dollllla bills provide so what ?? most of my money goes where i don't need the only way to have a fair society based on the common need is to diminish the state and redistribute the wealth give social wealth to the producers in which case the producers organize themselves for production and collective distribution.
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