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Hip Hop - Better or Worse?
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| ill |
Date: Sunday, 12/Apr/09, 7:20 AM | Message # 1 |
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is hip hop better then it was or is it worse? for me its better, when i think of hip hop i think of all the artists i like, not just the "golden age". i don't see the point about complaining about the how the music is declining, there is more original/diverse/dope music coming out now then ever before in hip hop, just cos its not on the radio doesnt mean its not out there. imo every aspect of new school hip hop trumps the old stuff, beats, lyrics, flow - the works. so yeah for me hip hop is better now, hands down
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 12/Apr/09, 2:51 PM | Message # 2 |
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Ill, I agree to an extent. I would say specific artists are expanding the genre and there is some much more complex music like, dare I say, Saul Williams, Sage Francis, Aesop Rock, MF DOOM, Prefuse 73, etc., but in general with the music that these artists make, though many of these artists have classic albums, they are few and far between. There were far more classic hip hop albums in the golden age than now. Additionally, it is an objective truth that the mainstream, in general, supresses this style of music. That is something that I can feel comfortable not complaining about, but doing something to change. I feel others have the same right to the beautiful music I listen to as I do and thinking otherwise is utterly selfish. People who feel like "who cares, keep it underground. The masses don't deserve it anyways" are simply elitist pricks and I'd rather associate with Lil Wayne himself than an idiot like that.
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| ill |
Date: Sunday, 12/Apr/09, 4:23 PM | Message # 3 |
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the whole genre has been expanded in every direction and thinking about classics, i would say there are an equal amount now and in the golden age although maybe they are less prominant because of the diveristy in hip hop today, emcees now are dime a dozen
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 12/Apr/09, 4:31 PM | Message # 4 |
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Heads
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Exactly, and I'd actually say there are more dope emcees now than ever, but the problem is that most don't release any albums, or when they do the album is a bit disappointing, but no doubt hip hop is just as good today as it ever was and I'm all for the movement that is about (and even wrote a song about) "stop complaining about what was dope and focus on what IS dope." I agree 100%. However, I still feel we need to work our asses off to get the music we love heard, and that is what this movement is about.
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"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"
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| Menace |
Date: Sunday, 12/Apr/09, 5:00 PM | Message # 5 |
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worse as a culture better as a music genre overall pretty bad whit the current merger of hip hop whit the pop world we the underground or the "reals" will be the Trotskyist of the hip hop "revolution" very small and insignificant and always babbling about how good are music is but in reality we don't give a shit about hip hop cause we ain't doing shit to expand it we got a trillion good artists but none of them are really known well isolationism kills the culture and THE MUSIC people seem to not understand that the phrase HIP HOP IS DEAD didn't occur in the golden age or even in the 90's it occurred NOW because in real terms a culture survives when its popular and has her own separate identity look at Punk Rock year after year their underground is shrinking and Punk Rock is becoming part of history
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 12/Apr/09, 5:02 PM | Message # 6 |
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Heads
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very true and unfortunate. that is why we are TAKING ACTION here.
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| ill |
Date: Sunday, 12/Apr/09, 6:47 PM | Message # 7 |
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Emcees
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There's more diversity
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 12/Apr/09, 6:49 PM | Message # 8 |
Heads
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Quote (Joker13) back in the day i can walk into a record store and pick out a random cd or tape and the chances of it being good was about 80% now if i do that the chances of it being good are 30% what does that tell you ?
Alot.
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 12/Apr/09, 6:53 PM | Message # 9 |
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Heads
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The hip hop mentality of back in the day was more ideal in my opinion. Back then they suppressed the wack and embraced the dope. It's backwards now, and that is the problem. That's why the golden age (and the ,we could say, silver age 1992 - 1997) seems so much more significant and fascinating.
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| SnoopG79 |
Date: Sunday, 12/Apr/09, 8:46 PM | Message # 10 |
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Quote (Joker13) back in the day i can walk into a record store and pick out a random cd or tape and the chances of it being good was about 80% now if i do that the chances of it being good are 30% what does that tell you ? That's how I feel too. Nowadays I don't even buy albums until I actually hear them first.
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| UniteC |
Date: Tuesday, 14/Apr/09, 3:17 AM | Message # 11 |
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personally im still stuck in the golden age....then more of whats going on today....i duno about u guys but alot of what i do is influence from the "golden age" if u think about it....the whole process of making music or a "hip hop" song is alot easier then it was back in the day....i just think its more about who u kno then what u kno nowa days....music evolves...in different ways for the good an the bad...
for example look at paris hilton (just an example !! calm ur self!! lol )
she made an album and we all kno here paris cant sing and is just a stupid hoe who sucked a dick on film and came up...
but i BET her album sold like hot cakes
its because she knew someone and got lucky i suppose....
i think thats what is going on in hip hop nowa days
and not to mention u can make anything or anybody sound "Good" to ignorent minds...with the technology of today...
(i could go on for days on my output on this....but i stop here....there are many thoughts and words to be said about todays mainstream society....but the thing for us to do as artists....is to stop worrying about whats going on and start taking action instead of talking shit) ????? 
"Flows got the breeze on my clothes got the scent of trees/
i lay back and blow sax like kenny G'g/" "Whole body blingin' like 3PO nigga..." 
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| eboyd |
Date: Tuesday, 14/Apr/09, 4:56 AM | Message # 12 |
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Heads
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Quote (UniteC) the whole process of making music or a "hip hop" song is alot easier then it was back in the day i completely disagree. yeah, making music has become easier due to more advanced technology, but which song out of these two do you think took more work to create?:
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Tuesday, 14/Apr/09, 5:01 AM | Message # 13 |
Heads
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that saul williams song was dope. lol for the first minute i thought it was just the intro and i was thinking when the hell is the song gonna start lol but it was cool, honestly though i can't say if either one of those took longer to create coz neither of them looked like it took that long to me.
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| eboyd |
Date: Tuesday, 14/Apr/09, 5:05 AM | Message # 14 |
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Heads
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lyrically the Saul Williams one took more work by far, guaranteed. here's a better example:
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"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"
-T.S. Eliot
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Tuesday, 14/Apr/09, 5:29 AM | Message # 15 |
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Heads
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wow that was some crazy stuff, i definitely think it would have taken longer than most songs from back in the day, but hey who's to say. i think you definitely have a point there though. i think songs probably take about the same amount of time to make coz back in the day it was just samples, but i think it would be just the same today really, if you're talking about dope stuff. But it is easier for the average person to make hip hop coz all they have to do is download some program
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