so its nothing to you when you listening to artist who can talk thru the whole album about how many bitches he fucked or about how much cash he hot? with corniest punchlines ever wrote?

why does it matter if it sounds good

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yup is called the art of rhyming many people don't comprehend that concept

I couldnt stand listening to Lil Wayne retarded lyrics even if he had best flow and best productions ever made

that's why you guys have your opinions disrespected here. hip hop is, and ever since emcees started rock it has been, about the lyrics (unless it is instrumental.

most sensible comment (along with Muzzy's) in this thread.

i could probably argue that as well, but idk about the album. maybe the song, but an entire album needs a whole package to be top notch.

this is also true. people like Rakim, Percee P, Slick Rick, G Rap, BDK, Nas, and a few others are a testament to this. the reason for this is that these emcees understand the idea of making yourself the solo instrument on the track. almost every emcee neglects this and it baffles me. wanna be a dope emcee? study Miles Davis on the trumpet. that's all i have to say about that.

now, i disagree that lyrics, flow and production make a hip hop track. there's a lot more to it than that and you can break each down a lot further. other factors include delivery and (this one is optional) DJing and these can all be broken down like this:

lyrics:

-subject matter
-style
-eloquence (how well it is written)
-cadence

flow:

-style
-execution

production:

-what program was used/MPC
-samples/no samples
-use of samples
-drums (if drums are used)
-style

delivery:

-energy
-charisma
-style
-how well it fits with the vibe of the track

DJing:

-scratches
-(various other techniques that i am not familiar with when it comes to DJing)
-.....
-....
-etc.

but guess what, ^^^that is not at all necessary, so don't break it down like this because it is completely futile and absurd. it is art. you can tell whether a song is good or not and a complete package like so by just training your ear to hear these things for what they are.

anyways, lastly, i do think the beat is very important because, as i have stated in the past, the beat is the first thing you hear in a track. if you don't like the beat you probably won't give the lyrics a chance even if they are the most profound you've ever heard and you claim to only care about the lyrics. this doesn't mean that great lyrics can't make a mediocre beat sound that much better, but it definitely means that no matter how great the lyrics are, if the beat is shit the song is also shit. so if i spit TS Eliot's "The Love Song of J Alfred Prufrock" (my favorite poem) over gay sex noises, people would probably be more grossed out than anything and would fucking hate that song no matter how amazing the lyrics are.

my new theme song



erikboyd60@hotmail.com

"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"

-T.S. Eliot

battle record:

7-0-0

alright, i'ma rap this over the greatest beat of all time with the greatest flow and see how much you like it:

i suck dick and flick shit. i shit on your bananas/
i wear red bandanas. i'm a gangsta from the banana/
republic. my dick? you know all the homos love it/
i rub it in a pile of vomit, bend down and i suck it/
aw fuck it. i stuck it in a socket like a rocket/
i eat hair on Sundays because it's in my pocket/
just like a hungry pocket. i take my boat and dock it/
you like to poke a smocket i speak all your broken cockpits/

my new theme song



erikboyd60@hotmail.com

"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"

-T.S. Eliot

battle record:

7-0-0

im not saying i dont care i just said i prefer beats, i listen to clipse they rap about coke, can i relate no but i still listen cos the beats and flow are good. im just saying if beat and flow are there i can keep on listening, lyrics make it somethin else when theyre good but i can overlook if theyre bad

i cant listen to songs with shit beats

i cant listen if the flow is horrible like chino xl in the other thread

but if the lyrics arnt great im not bothered, that jaylib album is a perfect example, madlib and dilla arent the best emcees but that album is on repeat cos they have dope beats and madlib especialy has a good flow

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I think the beats make the track, then flow, then lyrics. For me atleast. I need somethin to bop my head 2. n also the dude needs to sound good on the track. Thas why snoop dogg is so dope. if u think about it he dusnt rlly say much, he just has the sickest flow, specially over a dre beat. or anybody from the freestyle fellowship, nobody can fuck wit Aceyalone when it comes to flow.

Not to say I dont respect good lyrics either - that just adds more replay to a track.