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Rass Kass - The Nature of the Threat
Adam Date: Wednesday, 27/Oct/10, 11:15 PM | Message # 1

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what do you guys think of this. Emseed i thot you said u hated illuminati talk, but you say you like rass kass... so im a bit confused.





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EmSeeD Date: Thursday, 28/Oct/10, 0:43 AM | Message # 2

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what do you guys think of this. Emseed i thot you said u hated illuminati talk, but you say you like rass kass... so im a bit confused.

when did i ever say i liked ras kass lol

i got nothing against him though but i've never listened to any of his albums and i don't remember saying i liked him.

this song is amazing though, and what do you mean illuminati talk? wheres the illuminati talk in this song? these are all just historical events

i remember eboyd saying he thought it was racist against white people but i don't think so, he's simply stating historical events


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Adam Date: Thursday, 28/Oct/10, 1:00 AM | Message # 3

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u mean he is stating facts? i thot it was just another pro african rant...




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EmSeeD Date: Thursday, 28/Oct/10, 5:09 AM | Message # 4

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u mean he is stating facts? i thot it was just another pro african rant...

yeah as far as i know they're all facts anyway,

the last bit was a little racist though but the song is still amazing


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Lord_Meth Date: Thursday, 28/Oct/10, 4:11 PM | Message # 5

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Most of wat he was saying was fact. Some of it was just Pro-Black Anti-"The Man" Rant.

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Quote (Ras Kass)
Let freedom ring with a buckshot, but not just yet
First we need to truly understand the nature of the threat
And a pale man walks in the threshold of darkness
Roughly 20,000 years ago the first humans evolved
With the phenotypical trait, genetic recessive
Blue eyes, blonde hair and white skin
Albinism apparently was a sin to the original man, Africans

notice how the tone of this paints a picture of white people as having something wrong with them. he uses facts here in a way that skews the image of whites to make us seem more than simply an aberration from the common people of that time period and area. the truth is simply that whiteness at the time could only come about through albinism because the extremely hot climate was detrimental to those that lacked pigmentation. of course albinism was, in fact, the genetic mutation that eventually led to the evolution of today's white people in colder climates, and the likely evolution of humanity will lead eventually to the majority of people having a caramel complexion, but the careful and strategic use of terms like "genetic recessive", the description of a pale man walking in the threshold of darkness, and throwing in the fact that Africans thought albinism to be a sin creates an obvious tone that i personally find appalling. also, as you will notice later in the song, i find it hilarious that Ras mentions that Africans saw albinism as sin, then he goes on to talk about a much later point in history which saw the "origins of racism" by which he was referring to that of Hindus wearing white dots being racist against those with black dots, when obviously it was actually black racism against whites in the form of Africans seeing albinism as sin which long predated this.

Quote (Ras Kass)
So the mutants traveled North of the equator
Called Europeans later, the first race haters
So here's the Devil's alpha to the beta

nice touch here. Ras uses the word "mutants" very strategically. it is, indeed, a fact that a genetic mutation, most likely albinism, led the travelling Africans to evolve into whites as they entered colder climates, however, it must be understood how the word "mutant" is being employed here as a phonetic device to create a specific image in your mind of some sort of beast -- something evil. he further drills this in the listener's head with the next two lines where he calls these people "race haters" and actually calls these people of the Devil (the Devil's alpha to the beta).

Quote (Ras Kass)
Cause history's best qualified to teach one
Quoting German philosopher Schopenhauer
"Every white man is a faded or a bleached one"
Migration created further mutation
Genetic drifts, evolution through recombination
Adaptation to the climate

basically reinforcing many of the facts i mentioned above.

Quote (Ras Kass)
As the Caucus Mountain man reverted to that of a primate
Savage Neanderthals, until the late Paleolithic age
That's when the Black Grimaldi man came
With the symbol of the dragon, fire and art
Check cave paintings in France and Spain to the Venus of Willendorf

now here's Ras claiming that while the black men in Africa were ahead in the evolutionary process at this point, as the white men migrated and got paler they were actually "devolving" back into a primate-like state until the black man came back into the picture and with him came more sophisticated things like art. this is, hopefully to most, obvious bullshit.

Quote (Ras Kass)
Around 2000 B.C. Southern Russians migrate in small units
Those who travel West populated Europe
Those who went East settled in Iran, known as Aryans
1500 B.C. some crossed the Khyber Pass into India and
Created Hinduism, the first caste system, the origins of racism
A white dot on the forehead meant elite
The black dot - defeat; untrustable, untouchables

as i mentioned above. it's funny too because he's trying to equate this with white racism against blacks when the Hindi people were actually mostly very dark and, obviously, still are. they were never a white race.

Quote (Ras Kass)
They wrote the holy Vedas in Sanskrit
That's the language that created Greek, German, Latin and English
Now the Minoans around 2000 B.C.
Starts on the island of Crete, in the Agean Sea
The Greek culture begins Western Civilization
But "Western Civilization" means "White Domination"
Myceneans learned from Kemet, called Egypt in Greek
It existed since at least 3000 B.C.
Creatin geometry and astronomy
This knowledge influenced Plato, Socrates and Hippocrates
Cause Imhotep, the real real father of medicine
Was worshiped in Greece and Rome in the form of a Black African
The word Africa comes from the Greek "Aphrike"
Meaning "without cold"; the word philosophy means "love of knowledge"
Stole from first man, Greek power expands

so now he sets up this elaborate web of philosophical minds and shows how, basically, all white philosophers are frauds and they actually stole all their knowledge from black philosophers. the truth being, of course, that there have been great philosophers of all creeds and colors, even in that time. as he mentioned there were Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, Hippocrates, as well as others such as Epicurus, but there were also Egyptian philosophers who were, at that time in all likelihood, black. there were also great philosophers all over Asian at the time as well, and shortly thereafter (well, hundreds, maybe even close to 1000 years), during what was known as the dark ages in Western civilization, an enlightenment of sorts occurred in the Muslim world, bringing about many great Muslim scientists, mathematicians, and philosophers.


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Quote (Ras Kass)
The first Greek fraternities band
The word gymnasium is Greek for "naked"
This was the place where adolescent boys were educated, and molested
This was accepted because Greek culture was homosexual
For example, Sappho trained girls on the island of Lesbos
Hence, the word lesbian (Ay let these dumb motherfuckers know)
December 25th, the birth of Saturn
A homosexual god, now check the historical pattern

and now he unnecessarily brings up homosexuality because he has a bias against it, so using his bias against gays and whites he finds a supposed bridge between whiteness and homosexuality to make whites look bad.

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December 25, now thought the birth of Christ
Was Saturnalia, when men got drunk,
Fucked each other then beat their wife

now, apparently, the origins of both homosexuality and domestic abuse can be linked to being white lol.

Quote (Ras Kass)
Fact is, it was still practiced, til they called it Christmas

no, Christmas was a holiday first celebrated on a different day (for this reason the Orthodox church, such as the one sodr is a part of, celebrates xmas on January 7th), but because the Romans were mostly Pagans at the time and were forced by the government to convert to Christianity, to avoid a public uprising against the government, at the Council of Nicaea it was decided that Christmas would instead be moved to December 25th so that the former Pagans could continue to celebrate their winter festival (though instead as Jesus' birthday) which was based on the Winter Solstice -- the time of year at which the sun reaches its lowest point in the sky and rests in the southern crux.

Quote (Ras Kass)
So put a gerbil on your Christmas list
The Hellenistic Era, Alexander the Great
Conquers all the way to India leavin four successor states
By the Fifth century B.C., R.O.M.E.
Succeeds to be the conqueror of Egypt and Greece
But had the threat of the Black Phoenicians in Sicily
The Punic Wars began 264 B.C.
The Black general Hannibal and Carthaginian Peace
In 146 B.C. Carthage fell after a six-month siege
Rome sold every citizen to slavery
The first genocide of history
And more bisexuality in sight; Julius Caesar was known as
"every woman's husband and every man's wife" (BEOTCH!)

more homophobic rhetoric

Quote (Ras Kass)
Spartacus Revolt, a slave rebellion that lost
Where 6,000 slaves was nailed on a cross
Cross? Aw, shit! Jesus Christ! Time for some-act-right
Christians get your facts right
Cause Christ was not his name
That's Greek for "One who is anointed"
Yahshua Ben Yosef was his name, do Christians know this?
So who do you praise, do you know his name?
Or do you do this in vain?
Accepting the religion they gave slaves to behave
Peep the description of historian Josephus
"Short, dark, with an underdeveloped beard was Jesus"

Josephus' account of Jesus is oft refuted as referring, actually, to possibly someone else of the name Jesus (as it appeared then) which was a very common name at the time. Jesus' very existence is still a point of scholarly contention to this day.

Quote (Ras Kass)
He had the Romans fearing revolution
The solution was to take him to court and falsely accuse him
After being murdered by Pilate how can it be
These same white Romans established Christianity
Constantine would later see the cross in a dream
In his vision, it read "En Hawk Signo Wonka":
"In this sign we conquer" - Manifest Destiny
In 325 he convened the Nicean Creed
And separated god into three
Decided Jesus was born on December 25th
And raised then on the third day is a myth
Plus to deceive us
Commissioned Michelangelo to paint white pictures of Jesus
He used his aunt, uncle, and nephew
Subconsciously that affects you
It makes you put white people closer to God
(Yo, 'The Man' got game like a motherfucker!)
True indeed, fuck it, Jihad
In the eight century Muslims conquered
Spain, Portugal and France and controlled it for 700 years
They never mention this in history class
Cause o'fays are threatened when you get the real lesson
Moors from Baghdad, Turkey threatened European Christians
Meaning, the white way of life; hence the Crusades for Christ

the crusades were holy wars. skin color, though it may have had an undertone, did not play a major role in the Crusades.


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eboyd Date: Thursday, 28/Oct/10, 5:37 PM | Message # 8

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On November 25th, 1491
Santiago defeats the last Muslim stronghold, Grenada
King Ferdinand gave thanks to God for victory
And the Pope of Rome and declared this date to forever be
A day of "Thanksgiving" for all European Christians

.. Now listen, when you celebrate "Thanksgiving"
What you are actually celebratin
Is the proclamation of the Pope of Rome
Who later, in league with Queen Isabella
Sent Cardinal Ximenos to Spain
To murder any blacks that resisted Christianity
These Moors, these black men and women
Were from Baghdad, Turkey
And today, you eat the turkey, for your "Thanksgiving" day
As the European Powers destroyed the Turkeys
Who were the forefathers of your mothers and fathers
Now fight the power, you bitch-ass niggaz!

no, Thanksgiving was a celebration based on the supposed sharing of resources and cooperation between the pilgrims and the Native Americans. in reality it was a hostile negotiation between the two that lead to the Natives sharing resources with the whites, and the whites further slaughtering the Natives after that day. the pilgrims were negotiating simply because they knew they faced malnutrition if they didn't get proper resources soon and the Natives negotiated because they wanted the pilgrims to stop pillaging them. of course they continued pillaging them, but hey, that's "Western civilization" for you.

Quote (Ras Kass)
Now around this time, Whites started callings us Negroes
That's Spanish for black object meaning we're not really people
But property, and the triangle trade begins - they seize us
Queen Elizabeth sends the first slaves on a ship named Jesus
Stealin land from the indigenous natives
Gave them alcohol to keep the Red Man intoxicated
Whites claim they had to civilize these pagan animals
But up until 1848 there's documented cases
Of whites bein the savage cannibals, eatin Indians
In 1992, it's Jeffery Dahmer

now he's trying to make it seem as though cannibalism is a white affliction. what he's not mentioning is that the Tongans, a very dark skinned race to this day, ate their enemies after battle. he's neglecting the fact that the indigenous Peruvians used to eat certain body parts of their enemies, believing they would gain the power of their enemies by doing so. he neglects to mention that to this day, cannibalism is alive and well in the African Congo, an area that, in comparison with other parts of Africa, have very little white influence... damn... i'm getting hungry :p

Quote (Ras Kass)
They slaughtered a whole race with guns
Drugs, priests and nuns
1763, the first demonic tactic of biological warfare
As tokens of peace, Sir Jeffery Amherst
Passed out clothin and blankets to the Indian community
Infested with small pox, knowin they had no immunity
Today it's AIDS, you best believe it's man made

yeah, AIDS was a man made disease, created by white people. the same white people that were created in laboratory by a scientist named Yakub. give me a break! AIDS is the final stage of the HIV virus, a virus evolved from the SIV virus which was probably first created through a bestial sexual encounter between a human and an ape, and to further drive the nail in the coffin of Ras' conspiracy theory, the origin of the SIV virus is Africa.

Quote (Ras Kass)
Cause ain't a damn thing changed.. let me explain
Now since people of color are genetically dominant
And Caucasoids are genetically recessive

another play on words to make whitey seem inferior to darkie.

Quote (Ras Kass)
And Whites expect to be predominant, meaning survive as a race then
They simply must, take precautions
That's why they're worried about their future now
'cause by 2050, almost all the Earth's population
Will be brown, then black, so understandin that, whites counterreact
(I'm sayin.. man.. them fools
ain't nothin but a teaspoon of milk in the world color majority)
So they created a system
To force blacks into an unnatural position

would the natural position, then, be of black dominance over whites? i obviously don't support white dominance over blacks, but he seems to insinuate the former to be the proper way society should operate. which would make sense considering he believes whites will cease to exist in the next 40 years.

Quote (Ras Kass)
That re-enforces the position of natural inferiority
In addition, created guns and developed the ethnocentric view
That God justifies every fuckin thing they do
Condition people to perceive whites' culture as civilized
And every other culture considered primitive - not true!
Racism is the system of racial subjugation against nonwhites

no, racism is the racial subjugation of one group by another. it has nothing to do specifically with the white race, though historically certain whites have, in fact, been the perpetrators of more racism than any other people.

Quote (Ras Kass)
In every areas of human relation
Entertainment, education, labor, politics
Law, religion, sex, war and economics
See blacks were 3/5ths of a man with tax purposes intended
You think you're Afro-American?
You're a 14th amendment and a good nigga
Jews don't salute the fuckin swastika
But niggaz pledge allegiance to the flag that accosted ya
They never teach about the break of islands like Jamaica
But before slaves came here whites would take a
Pregnant women, hang her from a tree by her toes
Slice her stomach with a knife
And let the unborn baby fall to the flo'
And stop an unborn child in front of all the slaves
To inbreed fear, so they'd be scared and behave
And not rebel more
Understand all whites must be perceived as potential predators
I paraphrase historian Ishakamusa Barashango
"Understand that regardless of the lofty ideas ingraved on paper
in such documents as the Constitution or Declaration
the basic nature.. of the European American white man
remains virtually unchanged".. so check
This is the nature of the threat

yeah, because all white people are genetically inclined to spread racial hatred, kill non-whites, subjugate and oppress other races, etc., when left unchecked. lol.

this song is bullshit. Ras Kass is a fucking racist bastard. he's a pretty decent emcee, but fuck his views. i would hate to meet this dude, and if he ever wanted to collaborate i would fervently refuse, even if his views have changed.


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as i mentioned above. it's funny too because he's trying to equate this with white racism against blacks when the Hindi people were actually mostly very dark and, obviously, still are. they were never a white race.

albinism wasn't a "race", so when the first humans thought albinism was a sin that wasn't based on a race, albinism can effect any race so this is why he doesn't call these first humans "the first racists"

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the crusades were holy wars. skin color, though it may have had an undertone, did not play a major role in the Crusades.

racism was a big role in the crusades, especially against the Jews

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now he's trying to make it seem as though cannibalism is a white affliction. what he's not mentioning is that the Tongans, a very dark skinned race to this day, ate their enemies after battle. he's neglecting the fact that the indigenous Peruvians used to eat certain body parts of their enemies, believing they would gain the power of their enemies by doing so. he neglects to mention that to this day, cannibalism is alive and well in the African Congo, an area that, in comparison with other parts of Africa, have very little white influence... damn... i'm getting hungry :p

to this day? >( tongans do not eat people to this day, they don't even have an army anymore, they're lucky to still have their country after the british took it over

my ancestors (fijians) who fought with the tongans also used to eat people, people in south american also do eat people to this day but they do it as a funeral ritual, they see burying their dead ones as an insult, they see it as more of an honor to eat their dead ones then to have them rot and eaten by worms in the dirt.

but you're right his views on whites being cannibals are stupid,

you have a good point about the other stuff too :D


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to this day? tongans do not eat people to this day, they don't even have an army anymore, they're lucky to still have their country after the british took it over

i wasn't talking about the Tongans with that point, i was talking about the people of the African Congo. they, to this day, eat people. that shit has been all over the news for years.

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but you're right his views on whites being cannibals are stupid,

you have a good point about the other stuff too

thank you. i knew you'd see it my way :D


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abanks47 Date: Thursday, 28/Oct/10, 11:56 PM | Message # 12

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i aint gunna lie i listen to this song from time to time for some of the knowledge but i have to really ask myself where the line is at times from being pro afro-centric and plain old racist.

i personally think ras kass is overrated as hell.

me and prof. boyd dont see eye to eye on many things but i think we are on the same page here.

i always wonder how cats like ras kass view mulattos like my self.


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lol, we see perfectly eye to eye on hip hop and that's all that matters here :D

i mean this not to belittle you in any way, but i think that you should study up a bit more on politics, especially outside the US and theoretical politics, at least if you wish to hold political debate. it will broaden your ideological bounds a bit. i don't consider my views to reflect in any way anything that will be implemented at any time in the near future, at least in the US. i hold such views and have such debate because not because i want to fit such radical ideals into current society, but because even though i recognize that i likely won't experience the change i foresee in my lifetime, i want to be one of the people who plants the seeds for the future.

cooperatives aren't utopian though, that's just your stubbornness that prevents you from seeing they are becoming more and more popular around the world and that they work. in fact, living in the bay, i bet you walk past at least one every day. :p

but that's not relevant to the topic. let's get back on track now :D


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YO DIS TRACK IS FIRE SON! FOR REALZ!!!




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abanks47 Date: Friday, 29/Oct/10, 1:26 AM | Message # 15

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well i dont intend for you to address me and not allow myself to respond. i have strong points of view and adhere to them. if they are incorrect i will back up but if it is just one opinion vs another or an unsound or unjust argument against another i wont back down. simple as that. i appreciate what you think i should do but i do not think i need anymore education theoretical politics. im content on what i know and dont feel im missing out. i simply dont want to respond to a giant essay. if you were to not disect my posts everytime (which you will more than likely do here) id debate with you more.

My views are what work for me and my family, if your views are what work great for another country fine but the US seems to be doing alrite at the moment. everyone isnt dripping in jewlery or in great homes and i know unemployment is down but we are still a thriving country that contributes a lot to the world. i reserve my opinion and you can reserve yours

we dont see eye to eye on hip hop all the time

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i think you should read up on Nas some more

in an attempt to stay on point ras kass has another track on this album that is pretty damn racist as well. name was something african.


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