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this isnt about overall being a better rapper. its whos lyrically the best
but that's the thing, wtf does that even mean? does that mean i can just throw a bunch of of shit out there that doesn't even rhyme or meet any particular rhythm or cadence as long as it's "lyrical"? and what constitutes "lyricism" anyways? how do you grade lyricism? i know what the artist says is what matters, but how much of it is how the artist says it? and if the answer to the last question is "a lot", how much of "how the artist says it" is decided by cadence and rhythm? for example, which one of these lines is better:
"you may have had a cold inside of your chest but the fact is that you were never ill"
or
"you may have had a chest cold but you were never ill"
or can you determine which one is doper? does it depend on the beat that the line is spit on and/or the way it is spit? if so, do you not now get my point?
also, i know that you would argue that beats don't matter, but would K-Rino be as dope as he is now if he was spitting over beats like this?:
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everyone likes canibus but when k rino spits like that (actually ks been around since before canibus so what i mean is canibus sounds like him) you say hes just trying to be a scientist or he uses too many multis
that's because Canibus does shit like this:
and because, as you can see in the second video where he's actually getting on a dope beat, he knows how to write a dope hook too. also, Canibus can ride a beat.
Quote (TheHipHopSpot)
i pointed out the multis because he tried comparing a bum to a wizard lol Ks got songs that arent all multis. if you listen to more then a handful of songs
i have listened to more than a handful of songs. i'm well aware that he does go on different topics. he still constantly uses multis in his storytelling tracks and when he isn't using multis he's still getting on weak beats and not even riding them well. don't get me wrong, i think K-Rino is dope as hell and he has impressed me quite a bit since i first found out about him back in like 2003 listening to DJ Screw, but if you want to claim he's the best lyricist out there, i beg to differ. he's not even top 15. i don't put Canibus up there either but C is still better than K-Rino.
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and i really think you guys are comparing rappers that have no business being compared to K
like who? i understand the bum rapper thing was a bit harsh, but who else doesn't deserve to be compared to him?
Quote (TheHipHopSpot)
you say k isnt versatile eboyd? but you love percee p? i like percee p a lot. but he has 1 style
here's the thing though, Perce rides the beat well (most of the time), he can make a dope hook, he gets on good beats, his vocals actually improve the overall song musically speaking, and he knows how to word shit in a memorable way. K-Rino lacks all of these qualities on most of his songs.
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and about 30-40 songs in his 20 plus year career. thats some serious slacking. am i wrong about that?
i am not saying Perce doesn't have his faults. there's a good reason why he is as seasoned and skilled as he is but still nowhere near the fame level that the artists he inspired, was similar to, and/or networked with achieved. he has way more than 30 or 40 songs tho but w/e.
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i must of listened to 20 different "freestyles" with the same exact lyrics. gets pretty old the 15th time
all well known artists do that. go listen to some of Eminem's battles and "freestyles" and tell me that you didn't hear him repeat any lines. he even used the "you wouldn't sell two copies if you pressed a double album" line in his battle against Juice.
my point is this: go to a radio show or a filmed cypher for an underground network and ask around. i bet anything the artists there will tell you that while they freestyle here and there, the majority of the shit they spit at events like that is written. i myself write lyrics specifically for such events. Perce doesn't freestyle at all. he told me something that opened my eyes a bit. when i asked him why i never see him freestyle he said "why release material that isn't your very best?" now i can freestyle when i get into the mood for it. i just reserve my freestyling for when i'm with my boys in the studio or at my house just screwing around or vibing to beats. a few artists, like Supernatural, can get away with just straight freestyling all the time. most can't and don't need to.
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not to mention percee ALWAYS uses multis
no, he always uses internal rhymes. he uses multis quite often though. i have no problem with multis, but when you claim an artist isn't skilled because he isn't using multis that is just ridiculous.
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i think if percee put out a cd every 3 years he wouldnt be bumin you for rides. lol
haha, i absolutely agree. again, Perce does have some major faults. i think his biggest fault is that he is too passive. he lets opportunity pass him by because of it too. that is why he hasn't released much or gotten anywhere.
Quote (Adam)
I've listened to k-rino to much since my childhood since im from the southside and thats what i was surrounded by, so my opinion isn't biased. He is far from the best lyricist and big l is way better at that. He ain't the best story teller either thats slick rick.
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