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he doesnt just throw stuff out there. he explains why hes better then you and why you suck. not you particularly. but like a battle style. even though its ok big l does
i never said he did just throw shit out there.
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he doesnt act like a scientist using "big words". even though its ok that canibus does LOL see what im saying?
neither of them just use big words for the sake of using big words. as someone who is smart enough to understand most of what K-Rino is saying i know that he isn't just throwing shit out there that means nothing and makes no sense. if he was i wouldn't be a fan of his. the only reasons i don't own any of his albums are 1. his production is mediocre at best, and 2. i can only listen to his music in moderation. between his production, his flow, and his lyrics being extremely densely packed, it makes his music a tough listen. what NtG meant when he said that he's acting like a scientist was that he is overly complex, to the point that it is unnecessary. complexity can be a good or a bad thing. it is good in moderation. there's also a point where a track that is complex gets too complex and becomes no longer memorable. K often passes that point with his music, and it doesn't help that his beats aren't great.
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people are just looking for flaws they dont point out in other artists they like
no, i'm explaining the reasons why K-Rino's fan base is smaller even than most somewhat well known underground emcees that don't sell very well.
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what does lyrical mean to me? that i guess falls into the sacred untouchable "opinion" category
then why are you debating it? didn't you say you wanted to avoid opinion here?
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to me its not just about multis. its about using multiple multis about one subject, punchlines, storytelling, knowledge, etc... you also dont have to use multis all the time. K doesnt if you listen to a whole album through. k rino is versitile because he does all this and most rappers only have one or two of those attributes
exactly. there are a lot of different attributes required even to simply be a good lyricist. i named several that even Percee P, who i will admit is a one trick pony, has that K-Rino doesn't. like i said, there's a good reason Perce is signed to Stones Throw and K-Rino isn't. there's a reason Perce moves more units than K does. i mentioned those reasons in my last comment.
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now explain how k rino isnt versatile because that was one of your arguments of a good emcee. when percee is your favorite rapper and he has 1 style.
i already explained what i meant in the above comment. i think versatile probably isn't the best word. what i really meant was that he isn't well rounded. he only really has one thing going for him as an emcee. like i said, his flow isn't the best, he isn't very good at writing hooks, the beats he gets on aren't very good, etc. those are very important things when it comes to emceeing. because he doesn't have those things, despite how dope his lyrics are it is a tedious task for a listener to listen to a full album let alone keep his music on rotate in their playlist.
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and its not just freestyles either. he uses recycled verses in songs too. he does that as much as big l. but big l is dead! he has an excuse.
he recycled verses from his earlier works to his first album. almost no one heard his early work. Perseverance was his first project that got proper promotion. tell me, had you heard of Percee P prior to Perseverance? outside of that, he had verses he spit on radio that he later spit on wax (something even Big Daddy Kane and Kool G Rap did) and lines here and there that he used in a few different tracks. that isn't uncommon in hip hop.
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thats why i say percee p should come out with another cd soon
i agree. when i was driving to Hollywood with him in my car i told him he'd better not make his fans wait another 20 years for a new album lol. we spoke about some stuff in that regard but i'm not at liberty to talk about it 
let's just say that Percee P fans won't be disappointed this time around.
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ill admit percee rides the beat well, the hooks? well, if you have less then 50 songs i would expect you to have a decent hook, christ
wouldn't it be the opposite? like, the more songs he has you'd expect more good hooks? i'm confused.
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he rides the beat well, K did too when he had good ones, checkout his first cds
for expedience please post a few. thx.
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if you look up a k rino song with a shitty beat, the highest rated comment will probably say something like..."K makes any beat look good" hes well known for that.
yeah, and those are all 200 of his fans saying that lmao! dude, K doesn't have very many fans. that's why he doesn't have many. of course ppl that like him are going to say that. those ppl are the ones like you who don't care. the average person would be more likely to be a K-Rino fan if he just stopped rapping over beats and started spitting acappellas.
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im sorry he has 40-50 songs 20 of them being recycled verses
Perce has several hundred songs and, while many have recycled verses, most don't. obviously i've heard a lot more of his work than you have.
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yes eminem does repeat rhymes because that was in a battle, k rino doesnt battle
your point? you were talking about Perce repeating rhymes. i mentioned that he's not the only person that does that and gets away with it. that was all i was talking about. i said nothing about K-Rino.
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the whole multis thing? like i said, its how you use them, if you have multiple multi rhymes about the same subject. its rare
ok, i agree. you didn't say that tho. you just said multis make a verse dope and didn't even elaborate.
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you say its because he used punchlines too and was funny. but i seen the crowed go NUTS when rappers just use multis that arent funny and without punchlines. the result is a collective WOOOOOOOOOOOH LOL
i've never seen that. i've seen rappers spit multis that were also dope ways of saying something crazy. this happens in tracks too. multis and internal rhymes can enhance the effect of a dope line. for example, Edan was talking about being dope with a pen, but he said it like this:
"illustrate skill with the quill to build stanzas"
that shit made the line dope. there's more to it than just multis though. the actual line was amazing because it was just a creative way of saying it.
