Modern or Soon-to-Be-Considered Classics
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Lord_Meth |
Date: Wednesday, 14/Sep/11, 5:42 PM | Message # 1 |
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Everybody recognizes Illmatic and various other older albums as classics so I was wondering what are some modern day classics or albums that will be considered classics in the next 10 years. Post your thoughts.
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Adam |
Date: Wednesday, 14/Sep/11, 5:49 PM | Message # 2 |
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death grips exmillitary.
I JUST EXPLODED INTO RAINBOWS AND LOLLIPOPS!
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Bape |
Date: Wednesday, 14/Sep/11, 6:15 PM | Message # 3 |
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Quote (Adam) death grips exmillitary.
This ^^^^^
And I hate pulling out the Hipster Hop card but I think Kanye's latests work will be highly worshipped in the future.
And I really wanna say Tyler's 'Bastard' album, but to be honest, I don't think it's that album in particular that will be remembered. I think it's Tyler's persona, image and cult like following that will stand the test of time.Added (14/Sep/11, 6:15 PM) --------------------------------------------- Hahaaaa income tax
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eboyd |
Date: Thursday, 15/Sep/11, 2:33 AM | Message # 4 |
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Quote (Adam) death grips exmillitary.
no
Quote (Bape) And I hate pulling out the Hipster Hop card but I think Kanye's latests work will be highly worshipped in the future.
no
how have these made any significant change in the music of today, even in the short run?? i think Tyler The Creator has definitely made a significant impact on music today and, while Goblin sucked musically as a whole, a few songs, Yonkers in particular, have vastly inspired both hip hop artists and fans to think differently and they have changed the hip hop game tremendously in a vast array of ways. while i may not particularly like the album as a whole (i think it's a terrible album actually), i think because of the impact it has had it definitely has potential for classic status. all that other shit you guys are talking is irrelevant. people will forget Dark Fantasy even happened in 5 years time and most people don't even know Exmilitary even exists, and the ones that do don't care. no one is going to start screaming over randomly sliced samples other than Death Grips any time soon. it will fade into obscurity just as quickly as the very similar music El-P releases does... and Death Grips is nowhere near as good as El-P or any of his affiliates are (though i will admit i've grown to tolerate/even like their music).
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Adam |
Date: Thursday, 15/Sep/11, 6:17 AM | Message # 5 |
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death grips ex millitary!
I JUST EXPLODED INTO RAINBOWS AND LOLLIPOPS!
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Greeny |
Date: Thursday, 15/Sep/11, 8:25 AM | Message # 6 |
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From the Black Pool of Genius by Black Sheep maybe? Probably not tho. Only debuts are ever popularly considered classics. Perhaps How I Got Over by The Roots? Again, not a debut, but imo their best.
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Lord_Meth |
Date: Thursday, 15/Sep/11, 10:21 AM | Message # 7 |
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Quote (eboyd) people will forget Dark Fantasy even happened in 5 years time WTFFFFFF???????? Dark Fantasy shitted on Late Registration which is considered a CLASSIC. That album is inspirational, coming from someone who was obviously INSPIRED by it to do something with my talents!! That album is a freaking work of art. The best production Kanye has ever laced NEXT TO College Dropout. Gtfoh with that spiteful mess lol
OB4CL2 will be considered a classic in 10 years (I still stand by this statement) Blue & Exile - Below the Heavens will be considered a classic, if it isnt already is. Fashawn - Boy Meets World will be seen as a classic Fishscale by Ghostface will be considered a classic too. Possibly even Apollo Kids. Both DOPE albums. Kendrick Lamar - Section.80 IMO is a modern-day classic. That album is so fresh, nothing will be of its kind EVEN in 20 years.
Quote (Greeny) Perhaps How I Got Over by The Roots? Again, not a debut, but imo their best. ^^ This.
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ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Thursday, 15/Sep/11, 12:40 PM | Message # 8 |
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Quote (Lord_Meth) Kendrick Lamar - Section.80 IMO is a modern-day classic. That album is so fresh, nothing will be of its kind EVEN in 20 years. This and EARL
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Menace |
Date: Thursday, 15/Sep/11, 12:59 PM | Message # 9 |
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None, because there is no NEW GROUNDBREAKING shit, even Tyler with his crew most of them just faded and just the dick riders mention them. There is nothing that revolutionized hip hop, as these classics did. We must consider that we are, for some years now, living in a globalized, postmodern world where music was so commoditized at the sake of creativity and originality. We are "living in the end times" as Zizek said, not in the end of times as you hear it at the TV with the Apocalypse or crap, but in a cultural end times where you need some kind of leap forward, a cultural revolution of some sort.
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adam |
Date: Thursday, 15/Sep/11, 1:38 PM | Message # 10 |
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if you can't see the brilliance in production on death grip's exmillitary then idk what to say, because they little broke through the ground and all the way to china with the type of sounds and the patterns in their drums. cmon son! Added (15/Sep/11, 1:38 PM) --------------------------------------------- literally*
seriously death grips have to be the most enjoyable group I've heard in a long time and as a producer they have made me rethink a lot of the things I do and the process in doing them especially drums. cmon son! its got to be classic.
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eboyd |
Date: Thursday, 15/Sep/11, 2:22 PM | Message # 11 |
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Bape posted that video with the conversations between that group of guys with from Dead End Hip Hop featuring the guy from The Needle Drop where they discussed what a classic album was and what a trash album was and I agree with their conclusions 100%. Everything that has been posted in this thread has so far been opinion, and anyone claiming to know what will or won't be a classic someday is simply expressing their opinion. We can't know how the game will evolve ten years from now, and classics cannot be determined based off of opinion, only what had the most impact. Meth, you mentioned BTH, BMW, etc., on your classics list. While I like those albums, particularly BTH as it is one of my favorite albums of all time, it will never be a classic because it never had any substantial impact on the game or on any specific artists. And then you claim that Late Registration is a classic. No credible source has or ever will call that album a classic. As for Dark Fantasy, the production and themes of the album may be different from the rest and you may like the album (I personally would call it average. I enjoyed it to some extent but didn't think it was anything extraordinary), but that doesn't mean it will have had the impact in ten years on the game that it needed to call it a classic. I may be wrong and we'll just have to wait and see, but as far as I can tell that album is just a novelty item that will soon fade into obscurity.
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eboyd |
Date: Thursday, 15/Sep/11, 2:26 PM | Message # 12 |
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Now I have a question: if an album fades into obscurity and never achieves classic status but is brought to relevance by an artist who has a monumental impact on the game ten years later, can that album then become a classic because of the impact it had on that artist who changed the game?
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Bape |
Date: Thursday, 15/Sep/11, 2:57 PM | Message # 13 |
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I don't know if any of these have reached classic status or not but, here I go:
These are a little dated
Madvillain - Madvillainy Cannibal Ox - The Cold Vein Common - Be (possibly, maybe. It's dope enough. Probably not) almost anything with the name "Outkast" on it. Especially Stankonia & Speakerboxx/Love Below.
Quote (Lord_Meth) WTFFFFFF???????? Dark Fantasy shitted on Late Registration which is considered a CLASSIC. That album is inspirational, coming from someone who was obviously INSPIRED by it to do something with my talents!! That album is a freaking work of art. The best production Kanye has ever laced NEXT TO College Dropout. Gtfoh with that spiteful mess lol
OB4CL2 will be considered a classic in 10 years (I still stand by this statement) Blue & Exile - Below the Heavens will be considered a classic, if it isnt already is. Fashawn - Boy Meets World will be seen as a classic Fishscale by Ghostface will be considered a classic too. Possibly even Apollo Kids. Both DOPE albums. Kendrick Lamar - Section.80 IMO is a modern-day classic. That album is so fresh, nothing will be of its kind EVEN in 20 years.
THIS ^^^^^
Quote (Menace) if you can't see the brilliance in production on death grip's exmillitary then idk what to say, because they little broke through the ground and all the way to china with the type of sounds and the patterns in their drums. cmon son!
And That ^^^Added (15/Sep/11, 2:57 PM) --------------------------------------------- I have a feeling you guys are gonna tell me that there's a difference between a dope album and a CLASSIC album. And how these didn't change much and bla bla bla :P
I have a question, i'm too young to remember any of this so I hope one of you guys can help me out with this, What did the album "Only Built for Cuban Linx" change or inspire in the hip hop community? I've heard from some people I know that this album wasn't really regarded as classic when it came out. It took couple years to reach its spot as a classic album :/ Is that true?
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Menace |
Date: Thursday, 15/Sep/11, 3:08 PM | Message # 14 |
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These artists can be the most brilliant artists on the face of the earth, but until now they had no substantial impact on hip hop, time will judge that, not us And also, these artists will certainly fade into obscurity because of this cultural environment that values profits and marketing over creativity and originality. I understand certain peoples enthusiasm for these kind of artists but the industry changed, art became a product that can be staked in a warehouse, back in the days the industry was different, and had other values because the "market" and the CEO's didn't control what music the artist created. In this way, after 10 years, the classics will be considered Soulja Boy, Wayne and so on because they were promoted as the representatives of hip hop of our generation.
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Lord_Meth |
Date: Thursday, 15/Sep/11, 6:39 PM | Message # 15 |
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Quote (eboyd) And then you claim that Late Registration is a classic. No credible source has or ever will call that album a classic. As for Dark Fantasy, the production and themes of the album may be different from the rest and you may like the album (I personally would call it average. I enjoyed it to some extent but didn't think it was anything extraordinary), but that doesn't mean it will have had the impact in ten years on the game that it needed to call it a classic. I may be wrong and we'll just have to wait and see, but as far as I can tell that album is just a novelty item that will soon fade into obscurity. I hang around friends who rave about Kanye and how extraordinary College Dropout and Late Reistration were. I talk to other people on the net and when I ask about recent classics they, without fail, always mention those two albums. Critics arent always the ones who determine what is called a classic. Word of mouf between fans and listeners also dictate that too. With that said, everybody I know who have heard Dark Fantasy says its one of Kanye's best work. Its not only my opinion, but a majority of people I know also say this. But like you said, only time will tell if it gets deemed an "official" classic. Quote (eboyd) Now I have a question: if an album fades into obscurity and never achieves classic status but is brought to relevance by an artist who has a monumental impact on the game ten years later, can that album then become a classic because of the impact it had on that artist who changed the game? Isnt that what happened with Jay-Z's Reasonable Doubt?
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