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The Case Of The Debut Album
eboyd Date: Sunday, 11/Jan/09, 2:42 PM | Message # 1

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i doubt i'm the only person who has noticed that there are many artists who make a debut that isn't necessarily their best (maybe it is, but it isn't always in the case i am referring to), but because it was such a strong debut, people put it on a pedestal and even act like the artist will never be able to out do it. in this thread, list an artist whose debut is considered their best, give the name of the album, say if you agree or disagree, and give a short description of why.

NOTE: by all means, list Illmatic, but don't let this become a rant on that one album. if someone says Illmatic and you disagree, read it, disagree in your mind and take it in stride.

Artist: Blu

Album: Blu & Exile - "Below The Heavens"

A or D: so far i agree.

Why?: he has yet to release something, imo, as strong as this album. i can listen to it all the way through without skipping. can't say the same for J&J or The Piece Talks.

here's one that counts imo because Common found his style on Resurrection, so it was kind of his debut of the real Common:

Artist: Common

Album: Resurrection

A or D: Disagree

Why?: LWFC is, imo, the pinnacle of Common's career. it is far more advanced musically, lyrically, and most importantly, Common is more mature as a human being. the beats on this album are FAR superior, the first 9 tracks are unskippable imo, classics like "The Light," "Sixth Sense," and "Song For Assata" make this album a masterpiece, while smaller tracks like "Cold Blooded," "The Questions" and "Funky For You" help carry the load quite a bit. Resurrection is my 3rd favorite Common album in fact. i liked Finding Forever better too. the only tracks that are worthy of classic status are the first two imo.


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Lord_Meth Date: Sunday, 11/Jan/09, 3:04 PM | Message # 2

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Hmmm........I'd say........

Wu-Tang Clan, 36 Chambers

I do agree because everything after that was Shoddy and Misplaced

Gza, Liquid Swordz

Im in the middle with this one cuz I havent heard any of his other work besides Pro tools and its not as good as Liquid Swords and I hear Liquid Swords was his best by far from other people

Jay-Z, Reasonable Doubt

I agree cuz all of his other albums were OVERATED but Reasonable Doubt Showed Jay-Z lyrical talent


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ill Date: Sunday, 11/Jan/09, 4:10 PM | Message # 3

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mf doom operation doomsday

i agree, his best solo venture by a country mile in my opinion

kanye west - college dropout

agreeeee, all downhill from there haha


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eboyd Date: Sunday, 11/Jan/09, 5:13 PM | Message # 4

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i agree with you on Kanye, but "Mm... Food?" >>>>> "Operation Doomsday" to me.

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Lord_Meth Date: Sunday, 11/Jan/09, 6:54 PM | Message # 5

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mf doom operation doomsday
i agree, his best solo venture by a country mile in my opinion

HELL NO!!!!!!
Victor Von Doom all the way!!!!
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Not his debut, his real debut is Words From The Genius

Oh dur Im dumb I forgot that one LMAO


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EmSeeD Date: Sunday, 11/Jan/09, 11:18 PM | Message # 6

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Nas - Illmatic

i agree

Dr. Dre - The Chronic

i agree

Raekwon - only built for cubin linx

i agree

biggie - ready to die

i agree

eminem - infinite

i agree

tha dogg pound - dogg food

i agree

snoop dogg - doggystyle

i agree

wu tang - 36 chambers

i agree


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EmSeeD Date: Sunday, 11/Jan/09, 11:45 PM | Message # 7

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Eric B & Rakim - Paid In Full

im not sure if i agree, i like their other albums just as much

Boogie Down Productions/Krs-One - Criminal Minded

I don't agree


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eboyd Date: Sunday, 11/Jan/09, 11:52 PM | Message # 8

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Most people don't see Infinite as Em's best though. You usually hear bandwagon fucks talking about Em and Encore or Eminem Show as his best. Pfft! FUCK NO! If any of his mainstream albums are his best it is Slim Shady LP.

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11thPlague Date: Sunday, 11/Jan/09, 11:57 PM | Message # 9

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Most people don't see Infinite as Em's best though. You usually hear bandwagon fucks talking about Em and Encore or Eminem Show as his best. Pfft! FUCK NO! If any of his mainstream albums are his best it is Slim Shady LP.

Umm hell now the Marshall Mathers LP was his best mainstream. But that doesnt matter cause i'll definatly agree on Infinite Being his best hands down.

eboyd Date: Sunday, 11/Jan/09, 11:59 PM | Message # 10

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SS LP >>>>>> MM LP

But who the fuck cares.


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EmSeeD Date: Monday, 12/Jan/09, 0:01 AM | Message # 11

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Most people don't see Infinite as Em's best though. You usually hear bandwagon fucks talking about Em and Encore or Eminem Show as his best. Pfft! FUCK NO! If any of his mainstream albums are his best it is Slim Shady LP

i have never once heard anyone say encore or eminem show was his best. most people say slim shady lp or mmlp


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ill Date: Monday, 12/Jan/09, 2:39 PM | Message # 12

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i agree with you on Kanye, but "Mm... Food?" >>>>> "Operation Doomsday" to me.

mm food is more lyrical i think but the prod on doomsday its just too sick for me


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eboyd Date: Monday, 12/Jan/09, 3:36 PM | Message # 13

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I prefer the lyrics and production personally. To me, tracks like My Favorite Ladies sucked. Kon Karne, One Beer, Super, Friends (or w/ever it's called), the first track (I forget the name. The one with the Villain theme as the beat), Kookies... All dope ass tracks. I also like DOOM's side work as King Geedorah. I just bought Take Me To Your Leader and that shit is crazy dope!

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eboyd Date: Tuesday, 13/Jan/09, 3:47 AM | Message # 14

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it is a skit and a track. the actual track #1. it is a 1:45 long skit and then the track starts. WAIT!!! YOU HAVEN'T HEARD THE ACTUAL TRACK, HAVE YOU?!?!?! it's called "Beef Rapp":



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prozac26 Date: Tuesday, 13/Jan/09, 7:57 PM | Message # 15

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You mofos disgust me. All of you... lol

SOUL ON ICE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree. Why? Because.... enough said.

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