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Participatory Economics: A Real Alternative
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| Menace |
Date: Thursday, 05/Feb/09, 8:53 PM | Message # 1 |
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Date: Thursday, 05/Feb/09, 9:18 PM | Message # 2 |
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Quote (8DiagramsOfDeath) Here's an idea, burn down 90% of the trees in the world so paper will be worth more than gold, so than they could just print money without having to need gold to back it up...LOL JK!!!!! well not really cause u will end up whit tons of worthless paper cause the basis of an economy is the work force and what they produce then comes the price Participatory Economics the single alternative to world hunger and world poverty on the real it is man
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| Menace |
Date: Thursday, 05/Feb/09, 9:27 PM | Message # 3 |
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Quote (8DiagramsOfDeath) I said I was jk, geez ._. yup i know but i just said cause its funny to me cause you will end up whit tons of worthless paper so you will use it as a toilet paper ohh that would be an alternative too free toilet paper
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| s0dr2 |
Date: Thursday, 05/Feb/09, 9:34 PM | Message # 4 |
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Quote (8DiagramsOfDeath) Good, why should I have to pay to wipe my ass? LOL biggrin
of course! why not use our hands!
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
Message edited by sodr2 - Thursday, 05/Feb/09, 9:41 PM
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Date: Thursday, 05/Feb/09, 9:42 PM | Message # 5 |
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god i hope menace doesnt have a pic for that lol
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| Menace |
Date: Thursday, 05/Feb/09, 9:52 PM | Message # 6 |
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Quote (ill) god i hope menace doesnt have a pic for that lol in fact i do 
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Saturday, 14/Feb/09, 1:23 PM | Message # 7 |
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If I'm good at something specifically, like for example computer programming, arent I contributing more to society doing that thing I enjoy and am good at rather than doing something I am not experienced in and frankly don't care about doing whatsoever? Also, how can one get promoted and make more money? Is everyone going to be stuck in the middle class? Working more hours doesn't necessarily mean your more productive, you could just be wasting time. Lastly, why the fuck would I allow people to vote away my freedoms??? Your saying that I'm forced to work in a coal mine whether I like it or not... that sounds like slavery to me.
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| Menace |
Date: Saturday, 14/Feb/09, 1:34 PM | Message # 8 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) If I'm good at something specifically, like for example computer programming, arent I contributing more to society doing that thing I enjoy and am good at rather than doing something I am not experienced in and frankly don't care about doing whatsoever? Also, how can one get promoted and make more money? Is everyone going to be stuck in the middle class? Working more hours doesn't necessarily mean your more productive, you could just be wasting time. Lastly, why the fuck would I allow people to vote away my freedoms??? Your saying that I'm forced to work in a coal mine whether I like it or not... that sounds like slavery to me. you seem to have no idea how the system works in your workplace everybody decides everything from value surplus to salaries and if you are not qualified to do certain jobs what fool gonna put you to do them jobs ? there is no promotion the workers may choose to each take an equal share or to pay everyone based on how many hours they work without stockholders and overpaid bosses more money goes to those who actually do the work and IT IS OBVIOUS you will be put where you are qualified and the part where they say they clearly stated VOLUNTARY participation nobody forces you you can participate voluntarily to some tasks that you are qualified to earn more money 
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| Menace |
Date: Saturday, 14/Feb/09, 1:36 PM | Message # 9 |
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if you want i can give you a book called Participatory Economics : Life After Capitalism its a pretty big books but the book will clear all your unanswered questions
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Saturday, 14/Feb/09, 1:43 PM | Message # 10 |
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Quote (Menace) you seem to have no idea how the system works in your workplace everybody decides everything from value surplus to salaries and if you are not qualified to do certain jobs what fool gonna put you to do them jobs ? there is no promotion the workers may choose to each take an equal share or to pay everyone based on how many hours they work without stockholders and overpaid bosses more money goes to those who actually do the work and IT IS OBVIOUS you will be put where you are qualified and the part where they say they clearly stated VOLUNTARY participation nobody forces you you can participate voluntarily to some tasks that you are qualified to earn more money wink
rarely is anybody overpaid, prices are set to what the market will bear... supply and demand... the reason why bosses are paid so much more is because their much more productive than the people lower than them not because they exploit the factory worker. And thanks though, but I'm lookin to buy Man, Economy, And State
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| Menace |
Date: Saturday, 14/Feb/09, 2:03 PM | Message # 11 |
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Quote (J-Breakz)
rarely is anybody overpaid, prices are set to what the market will bear... supply and demand... the reason why bosses are paid so much more is because their much more productive than the people lower than them not because they exploit the factory worker. And thanks though, but I'm lookin to buy Man, Economy, And State more productive in what ?? whit out the work force they have nothing and what they actually do the workers can do too and rarely is anybody overpaid ?? LMAO come on man let's be REAL !! there is an obscene difference between how the workers are paid and how the bosses are paid and you are a Libertarian trying to read a book by a individualist anarchist like Rothbard and you support classism ?? come on man don't be a hypocrite and where is the anarchist ideal if a Boss exists i advice you to read PARECON instead hypocrites like Rothbard
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| Watcher |
Date: Saturday, 14/Feb/09, 2:08 PM | Message # 12 |
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Dude, then why the hell do you think we're in this recession? ACORN? LMFAO!!!!  I've heard that lame ass argument too many times if so. It's because these fucking CEO's were paying themselves ridiculous amounts and buying ridiculously expensive things. The main culprits are Walmart and McDonald's, the only 2 companies who reported gains at the end of 2008. 4 of Walmart's top financial officers are in the top 15 richest people in the world!!!! That will continue to happen with capitalism. Keep believing in it and in the American dream and act like this country is fine but in 4 years when you and I are standing together in a line around the block waiting for bread, I'll tell you I told you so.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Saturday, 14/Feb/09, 3:28 PM | Message # 13 |
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Quote (Menace) more productive in what ?? whit out the work force they have nothing and what they actually do the workers can do too and rarely is anybody overpaid ?? LMAO biggrin come on man let's be REAL !! there is an obscene difference between how the workers are paid and how the bosses are paid and you are a Libertarian trying to read a book by a individualist anarchist like Rothbard and you support classism ?? come on man don't be a hypocrite and where is the anarchist ideal if a Boss exists i advice you to read PARECON instead hypocrites like Rothbard wink
Like I said before.. I am interested in Anarchism, specifically anarcho-capitalism. CEO's deserve higher pay than workers; it takes much more experience, education, brains to be a CEO than it does to be a worker. Productive in what? A CEO's job affects thousands of people working for that company, and consumers paying for their product. When a factory worker's job only affects a small part to a product.. do u get what I'm trying to say (I've always had problems clearly stating a point, especially on the internet). Added (14/Feb/09, 3:28 Pm)
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Quote (Watcher) Dude, then why the hell do you think we're in this recession? ACORN? LMFAO!!!! lol I've heard that lame ass argument too many times if so. It's because these fucking CEO's were paying themselves ridiculous amounts and buying ridiculously expensive things. The main culprits are Walmart and McDonald's, the only 2 companies who reported gains at the end of 2008. 4 of Walmart's top financial officers are in the top 15 richest people in the world!!!! That will continue to happen with capitalism. Keep believing in it and in the American dream and act like this country is fine but in 4 years when you and I are standing together in a line around the block waiting for bread, I'll tell you I told you so.
Actually it was the government's involvement in economics... They had capital gains in the real estate market caused a huge bubble which eventually burst and left many people broke... A Laissez-faire economy is the best way to prevent something like this from happening again. People talk so much shit about McDonald's and Walmart when they have been able to offer products for a real low price. Consumers have really benefited from Walmart so I don't see why they don't deserve to be successful.
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Message edited by J-Breakz - Saturday, 14/Feb/09, 3:30 PM
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Saturday, 14/Feb/09, 3:35 PM | Message # 14 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) CEO's deserve higher pay than workers; it takes much more experience, education, brains to be a CEO than it does to be a worker. Productive in what? A CEO's job affects thousands of people working for that company, and consumers paying for their product. When a factory worker's job only affects a small part to a product.. do u get what I'm trying to say (I've always had problems clearly stating a point, especially on the internet). yeah but they're being paid too much and worker's are being paid too little, yeah ceo's should get paid more than the worker's but not by as much as they are now. worker's deserve more
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Saturday, 14/Feb/09, 3:44 PM | Message # 15 |
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Quote (Em_SeeD) yeah but they're being paid too much and worker's are being paid too little, yeah ceo's should get paid more than the worker's but not by as much as they are now. worker's deserve more
why should they be paid more if the work is so easy?... I have family members who work in factories and shit I realize how much of a shitty job it can be, but the job is designed to be very simple and requires very little training at all.
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Message edited by J-Breakz - Saturday, 14/Feb/09, 3:44 PM
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