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Why was Obama elected?
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 27/Dec/09, 4:54 AM | Message # 31 |
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Quote (ALCATRAZ) Surely not because he was black.
What supports this claim? In your words "how do you know?"
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 27/Dec/09, 4:56 AM | Message # 32 |
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Quote (I_Guy) I could similarly ask, "Do most men prefer thin healthy women?" Well we can generalize that most men probably do. Through experience you could infer that most men do. But I could ask "Do you know what kind of woman I prefer." Of course there is no way of knowing. Even if I told you, there is no way you would be able to know if I was telling the truth, especially given the nature of the concerned questioning. But does my response negate the general conclusion?
^Your response to this?
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Sunday, 27/Dec/09, 4:57 AM | Message # 33 |
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the truth is............................................................................. the large majority of black people have always voted democrats however this election and the last election had the largest amounts of voters, the 04 election had a record amount of voters because of the war on iraq, this election, there was still the war on iraq, plus a black candidate and a women candidate and an old bastard who had supporters thinking obama was the anti christ. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqHa1VMSb9A
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Sunday, 27/Dec/09, 5:08 AM | Message # 34 |
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vote for Obama because he's not white - Pastor Jeremaiah Wright
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 27/Dec/09, 5:22 AM | Message # 35 |
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I agree it is stupid.
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| ALCATRAZ |
Date: Sunday, 27/Dec/09, 6:48 AM | Message # 36 |
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Quote (I_Guy) If so explain. OK... read this.... Quote (I_Guy) If you didn't vote for him for those reasons, I guarantee that many (if not most) people did. Quote (I_Guy) Most colored (primarily black) people voted for him because he was young and black In the two above quotes, primarily the second one, you are implying that the majority of Blacks voted for Obama because he is Black. Your post cannot be taken out of context in any way, it is right there in bold letters. You built your argument upon the grounds of that very statement, but then, out of nowhere, you turn around and say... Quote (I_Guy) Of course I can't KNOW that the majority of the black populace voted for Obama And pretend as if those earlier quotes never existed. Did you think I wouldn't notice you were trying to retract your earlier sentiments? The quotes are right there. You never said anything about highly likely, you never said anything about your personal research and data findings, you never said anything about polls conducted by universities and research institutes, you never said anything about anything. Just admit that you were out of line with that comment and we can carry on. You can't judge an entire group of people just because of their skin color. Especially when you have no factual evidence. You just can't. You are trying to justify the fact that blacks cannot think on the same level that whites do with their candidates. But I take that lightly. I just want you to understand that if you are trying to win an argument about "Blacks voted for Obama because he is black" you are destined for failure. Added (27/Dec/09, 6:39 Am)
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Quote (Joker13) oh god not this stupid argument i agree with Abanks and Alcatraz  Added (27/Dec/09, 6:48 Am)
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Quote (I_Guy) ^Your response to this? That's a loaded question, because you are using a skinny "HEALTHY" woman as your example. That isn't fair, because humans naturally want healthy partners. That is something that can be recognized as being universally accepted. Now, the notion that everyone wants skinny girls, that is up for debate, which is why I posed the question earlier: Where did the conclusion come from? Did it come from a poll? How many people were in the conducted poll? Was it just your personal experiences? Where is your found data? Whether I believe your response negates the general conclusion or not rests on those questions I just asked. Start from the bottom, then work your way up. Not the other way around.
"I personally think OBCL2 is better than the original" - Lord Meth 
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Sunday, 27/Dec/09, 6:56 AM | Message # 37 |
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Quote (ALCATRAZ) Now, the notion that everyone wants skinny girls, that is up for debate, which is why I posed the question earlier
I like thick girls, slim waist, big booty. Skinny girls are eh
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| ALCATRAZ |
Date: Sunday, 27/Dec/09, 6:59 AM | Message # 38 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) I like thick girls, slim waist, big booty. Skinny girls are eh LOL no you don't, you like skinny girls. I_Guy says so.  (the thick honeys are bangin tho) hahaha
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| abanks47 |
Date: Sunday, 27/Dec/09, 12:11 PM | Message # 39 |
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Quote oh god not this stupid argument i agree with Abanks and Alcatraz
lol, naw ima just sit back on this one. just observe from the outside to see it's progression
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| Menace |
Date: Sunday, 27/Dec/09, 2:44 PM | Message # 40 |
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Yeah the masses voted for Obama because they liked his Keynesian plan and they didn't agree whit McCain's fiscal conservatism . LMAO How many of you here understand basic economics ? how many of you here voted for Obama because you like his Keynesian plan . Yeah all of you are supporters of Keynesian economics and harsh opponents of laissez-faire capitalism and fiscal conservatism .  None of you here nor the majority of the electorate has a slight idea about Obama's economic policies or a basic understanding of economics . We see a big ego here that has nothing to do whit Obama's policies . Most of you don't even know or understand his policies .
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| ALCATRAZ |
Date: Sunday, 27/Dec/09, 3:09 PM | Message # 41 |
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Quote (Menace) how many of you here voted for Obama because you like his Keynesian plan . Regardless of how many people here tell you why they voted for Obama, it doesn't indicate that the other 39 million blacks voted for the same reason. You're generalizing. Quote (Menace) None of you here nor the majority of the electorate has a slight idea about Obama's economic policies or a basic understanding of economics . You are generalizing again. I'm just gonna start saying that when you make comments that you can't back up with solid evidence. GENERALIZER!!! LOL Quote (Menace) We see a big ego here that has nothing to do whit Obama's policies . Yeah, and that big ego is you. Quote (Menace) Most of you don't even know or understand his policies . You need to get off your high horse. You are claiming that most people don't know things that you know. What, are you the golden child or something? Do you have all the secrets to the world that us poor Americans will never know? Regardless of what you think about the general populace, face it, you don't know why Black Americans voted for Obama. Until you can prove it with hard facts, you can't prove anything. I_Guy got the point, why you think he hasn't posted in the thread since my last post! LOL Even he realized he was generalizing and tried to backtrack his steps before I called him out on it. Both I_Guy and yourself are extremely pretentious and it's quite sickening, to say the very least.
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| I_Guy |
Date: Monday, 28/Dec/09, 0:53 AM | Message # 42 |
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Quote (ALCATRAZ) Just admit that you were out of line with that comment and we can carry on. You can't judge an entire group of people just because of their skin color. Especially when you have no factual evidence. You just can't. You are trying to justify the fact that blacks cannot think on the same level that whites do with their candidates. But I take that lightly. I just want you to understand that if you are trying to win an argument about "Blacks voted for Obama because he is black" you are destined for failure.
Nope, I still claim it, but I can't know it. Quote (ALCATRAZ) That's a loaded question, because you are using a skinny "HEALTHY" woman as your example. That isn't fair, because humans naturally want healthy partners. That is something that can be recognized as being universally accepted. Now, the notion that everyone wants skinny girls, that is up for debate, which is why I posed the question earlier: Where did the conclusion come from? Did it come from a poll? How many people were in the conducted poll? Was it just your personal experiences? Where is your found data?
I accept that. Take "skinny healthy" out then and replace it with "fit." Quote (ALCATRAZ) You need to get off your high horse. You are claiming that most people don't know things that you know. What, are you the golden child or something?
Stay in your shoes. Menace has spent years studying this shit and comes from a family of economic/political interests. Let's not get into ethos though. Quote (ALCATRAZ) I_Guy got the point
There's no valid point to get.
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| ALCATRAZ |
Date: Monday, 28/Dec/09, 1:21 AM | Message # 43 |
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Quote (I_Guy) Nope, I still claim it, but I can't know it. You CLAIMED that you KNEW, as noted by the following quote... Quote (I_Guy) Most colored (primarily black) people voted for him because he was young and black You never clarified your grounds for that claim, do you understand? You never gave supporting evidence for that statement. That's why the statement is ignorant. You still after 3 pages have posted no data findings through professionally conducted polls. You have only been talking about what you think. That simply isn't good enough, man. Conclusive evidence -- read about it. Quote (I_Guy) Menace has spent years studying this shit and comes from a family of economic/political interests. I don't care how many years he's spent studying anything, nothing validates calling another man a nigger. It's pure hatred and disrespect, and there is no amount of knowledge that can justify that.
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| I_Guy |
Date: Monday, 28/Dec/09, 1:39 AM | Message # 44 |
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Quote (ALCATRAZ) You CLAIMED that you KNEW, as noted by the following quote...
I made a claim, I did not claim to know possitively the truthfulness of that claim. That's idiotic, there is no way to know for sure. Knowing is myth anyway. A claim does not necessitate knowing. I claim based on likelyhood. Quote (ALCATRAZ) You never gave supporting evidence for that statement. That's why the statement is ignorant. You still after 3 pages have posted no data findings through professionally conducted polls. You have only been talking about what you think. That simply isn't good enough, man. Conclusive evidence -- read about it.
This has nothing to do with evidence. That is what you need to understand. There is no such thing as conclusive evidence with a situation like this. A poll or a survey is NOT CONCLUSIVE. None of that is reliable. THERE IS NO METHOD FOR ANALYZING THIS! Not even if we interviewed every single person in the fucking world. That would STILL NOT BE CONCLUSIVE. Any survey, or poll, or interview, or study utilizing the previous elements would require hope for an honest opinion. THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO MEASURE! Realistically, this kind of study most likely wouldn't be done in the first place, and if it did it probably wouldn't be able to reach every person that voted. Therefore, any study's conclusion would still be a fucking generalization of some degree. My conclusion is a generalization at an extreme degree (because it is based on personal experience). DUE TO THIS, people have to rely on personal experience and form a conclusion relative to the information accessable to them (which is their experience). Therefore this whole mother fucking argument is an argument over personal opinion based on experience and real life observation. An absolute knowledge of this kind is UNKNOWABLE. THAT IS WHY IT CAN ONLY BE OPINION AND INFERENCE BY EXTRAPOLATION. So all of your asinine requests for evidence is vainful and absurd. There is no such thing as conclusive evidence for this. Do YOU understand?
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| ALCATRAZ |
Date: Monday, 28/Dec/09, 1:43 AM | Message # 45 |
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Quote (I_Guy) My conclusion is a generalization at an extreme degree That's all I needed. Carry on.
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