Society must be ran by the scientific method implementing technology as much as possible. It is definitely the better solution of them all. The leap to get there is too damn far though due to the primitivity and irrational mentality of this societal system. I agree with Menace that something like anarcho-syndicalism would have to be the long transition period. My only fear is that within this transition, technological innovation will fall apart and the sciences may waste away. I feel like everyone would be far too focused on keeping everything in order, in the mean time neglecting scientific development. I also fear that it may be too difficult to keep people educated (it's too hard now). A world of RATIONAL people is absolutely essential. I don't think it's possible to reach everybody, therefore we will always have the idiots who ruin everything by their disastrous stupidity. Humanity is natually plagued by stupidity.

Symbiosis is absolutely key to sustain our existence. If we don't engage in a symbiotic process, then we naturally take on the evolved stage of parasites and the result will be eventual annihilation of all life.

i agree with you completely up until the bolded point. this is a roundabout assumption that ingenuity, creativity and innovation would be halted within such a society. such an assumption is one which i would expect a right-libertarian to make, not you. accounts of history prove this assumption to be incorrect:

"The work and success of the collectives also disproved the old capitalist fallacy that only free enterprise and competition breeds innovation and creativity:

"Carcagente is situated in the southern part of the province of Valencia. The climate of the region is particularly suited for the cultivation of oranges. . . . All of the socialised land, without exception, is cultivated with infinite care. The orchards are thoroughly weeded. To assure that the trees will get all the nourishment needed, the peasants are incessantly cleaning the soil. 'Before,' they told me with pride, 'all this belonged to the rich and was worked by miserably paid labourers. The land was neglected and the owners had to buy immense quantities of chemical fertilisers, although they could have gotten much better yields by cleaning the soil. . . .' With pride, they showed me trees that had been grafted to produce better fruit.
"In many places I observed plants growing in the shade of the orange trees. 'What is this?,' I asked. I learned that the Levant peasants (famous for their ingenuity) have abundantly planted potatoes among the orange groves. The peasants demonstrate more intelligence than all the bureaucrats in the Ministry of Agriculture combined. They do more than just plant potatoes. Throughout the whole region of the Levant, wherever the soil is suitable, they grow crops. They take advantage of the four month [fallow period] in the rice fields. Had the Minister of Agriculture followed the example of these peasants throughout the Republican zone, the bread shortage problem would have been overcome in a few months."
- Gaston Leval, cited in Dolgoff's "The Anarchist Collectives"

Because, in fact, self-management encourages innovation.

"The theoreticians and partisans of the liberal economy affirm that competition stimulates initiative and, consequently, the creative spirit and invention without which it remains dormant. Numerous observations made by the writer in the Collectives, factories and socialised workshops permit him to take quite the opposite view. For in a Collective, in a grouping where each individual is stimulated by the wish to be of service to his fellow beings research, the desire for technical perfection and so on are also stimulated. But they also have as a consequence that other individuals join those who were first to get together. Furthermore, when, in present society, an individualist inventor discovers something, it is used only by the capitalist or the individual employing him, whereas in the case of an inventor living in a community not only is his discovery taken up and developed by others, but is immediately applied for the common good. I am convinced that this superiority would very soon manifest itself in a socialised society."
- Gaston Leval, "Collectives in the Spanish Revolution""

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i just had a long edit made to discuss your second point about the education of the people and when i went to save my edit, the site DENIED ME ACCESS TO DO SO!!! i'm so FUCKING PISSED!!!!!! AHHHH!!!!!

anyways, i'll bullet the basics of what i said because i no longer have patience to rewrite the entire thing :

-education is a pretense for such a revolution.
-with the theories of libertarian socialism being over 100 years old and quite well developed, we can turn our focus now on revolutionary education reform, and any further theory will come, for now, through libertarian socialist discourse, and in the future, through the reformed education system.
-we should work to replace current educational tools and concepts with improved concepts that are less constricting to education. we should, for example, replace the following with:
*curriculum: a freer form of educational guideline based on students rather than standardization.
*grading systems for evaluation: a system focused on evaluation for the sake of advancement or retention rather than evaluation for the sake of success or failure in which a student advances in a fluid process rather than step by step (for example, rather than going from one math course to another, students would take as long as they need to learn about, say, the distributive property and steadily get more complex with such specifics, where no "graduation" from one grade to another exists).
*standardized testing: evaluation of a student's understanding of a topic in order to determine whether they move to the next subject or are retained.
*conceptual learning: critical thinking.
*lecturing: free intellectual discourse.
-the aforementioned are just examples of the educational structure that needs reform. we haven't even touched base on the economic and institutional aspects of such a reform.
-for the above reasons, if you are serious about this, you should be going to town and city council meetings, political and philosophical forums, rallies, school board and district protests, etc., now or as soon as you get out of school and get your opinions heard.
-discuss these things with your friends and family and formulate a philosophy on how the education system SHOULD work and bring these philosophies to community leaders, politicians, school board people, etc.

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In your society 1% of the population controls 95% of all resources . It's called class division . The accumulation of capital in the words of Karl Marx leads to this whatever in a free market or not . So please gimme a break .

Well science enhances our society rather then setting it back. When technology is created for social use rather then a product for mass consumption then your dream can be achieved . In a post anarchist collectivist society people are given back they labor including SCIENTISTS . Scientists who create useful things now days are alienated those scientists employed by the big corporations are held back . Its exactly like in the music industry creativity is held because it's not relevant for the market and artists don't actually own the music they create . The same can be said about scientists bright minds are used for trivial purposes . Whilst in an anarchist society the scientist creates what he wants not what the market wants or what a boss tells him .

In an RBE, everyone will need to be a rational holist. That may be required for anarch-syndicalism as well. It's hard to get people there, very hard. I'm not saying it's impossible. But I'm afraid the worlds people may be at a point of no return, that is unless we reach a point of do or die. But even then I think the stupidity of people will capsize any large efforts. For example, there is no convincing a Muslim, especially a radical one. There is no convincing a fundamental anything in religion. There's no convincing an ignorant ass redneck, or a mindless barbie. Don't mean to stereotype, but these people exist in vast numbers. There is no changing the mind of a "hood nigga" who likes making his paypa'. And most of all, there is no convincing the general apathetic. Because they're all conditioned not to respond to these ideas. I only see it possible by the education of several generations. The kids of the kids of the kids of the kids of the kids might be suited to rule the new world. But how can we commence their education? The education systems are government operated, or private operated in smaller cases. But the majority of the inconvincible people attend (if they attend) public school. The other side of the uncovincible people attend private schools in which most of them are religious and inherently irrational when it comes to the higher complexities essential to our understanding for a better future. That's why I say it seems that a government of some form has to get involved to get the ball rolling for a future RBE system. Because what other power can reach every child in the world on a wide scale? Surely not a grassroots movement.

All I'm saying is that every single person would have to be educated so extensively before the revolution could happen, everyone except the people in power I suppose. Because if there are factions of people then there will be disastrous resistance and violence possibly. There will be the idiotic pro-capitalists groups won over by capitalist propaganda, and there would be pro-anarchists who see the light, and everyone in between. The people can not be divided at all. Because then we start getting talk of violation of individuals lives,rights, and freedoms. For instance, if everyone in the world was educated and set for revolution, and they made it happen, what happens to the elites and power figures, or resistors? In past revolutions they dropped dead at the guillotine. We can't do that. If they resist, could we imprison them? They surely would bind together for resistance, and their selfish ways that speaks to everyone’s temptations may appeal to some people. I simply can't see a peaceful transition. I can only see a peaceful transition through worldwide negotiating and implementation by institutions already in power. But the likelihood of that that working is far too low at this point.

The point is, there seems to be only two possibilities.: A peaceful cooperation between current institutions to begin a selfless transition, or a rugged grassroots movement. History has shown that both methods have there problems.

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It's controlled by supply and demand, if there's a demand then there will be a supply. And no, I was minding my own shit until I_Guy attacked my statements, I'm just defending myself so YOU gimme a break!! ...and plus your confusing state capitalism with anarcho-capitalism. The same exact way you accuse me of confusing state communism with anarcho-communism

Class division appears where capitalism appears it doesn't matter what kind of capitalism it is . You like all capitalists ignore class division and the effects it has on society . Class division means inherently accumulation of capital and the centralization of it into one class .

1. my society won't have class division so dramatically that 1% of the world would control 95% of resources.
2. all the people control all the resources thru demand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_accumulation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_class

But I agree, many of people recognize that there is a problem. But what good is that? What good is a bypasser who recognizes that a building is unstable, but has no idea, interest, or time to address what it takes to repair the structure? It's no one's fault though. The current system produces people who can't care about the issues, because we need uncaring people to keep this system running, so that my well being is maintained so that I can complain about their lack of interest or effort. That's why I see the education issue to be extremely difficult. How can we shift to an education that threatens the health of the very structure that supports us in the here-and-now.