if thats what you guys do that is fuckin ancient

i think there was some initial confusion though, i was battling you simply on the race thing

i sort of agree with you because of the sterotypes ilikebacon mentioned and the way he presented them came off as sort of pseudo-racist lol, however, would you not agree that there are physical and cultural traits that make us diverse as people that we can and should label people with? i am talking about traits that are neither positive nor negative, but neutral. for an example of physical traits, say i'm at a store and i ask someone that works at this store about something and he doesn't have the expertise on that specific thing. what he then does is tells me to go speak to another individual about the matter that i am asking about because he knows better. in order to tell me who to speak to he tells me "he's the black guy standing right there". in this instance he used a label for quick reference so i would know immediately who he is talking about. i do not find this to be a bad thing at all. for an example of a label based on culture, i am currently talking to a Mexican girl who comes from a traditional Mexican/Catholic family (there go the labels already lol). because i have zero game (literally, zero. it's pathetic lol) i ask my friends who are more experienced and skilled at talking to girls for advice. almost every person i talk to immediately asks what race she is before giving me advice and they give me advice specific to the culture of the girl i am talking to. with this girl, because of her cultural background, she is the type that will probably live at home with her entire family until she gets married, she is very close to her family, she is quite religious and goes to church every Sunday, she had a strict upbringing and even though she's 18, her family still has a lot of control over her when it comes to relationships, etc. these traits and more are all common with women that fit her description and, while not all of these apply in every case, you will usually find that at least several of these traits can be found in almost every case. so when people give me advice on dating Mexican women, they usual build their advice around these characteristics. is this labeling? to the absolute fullest extent. could some or even all of these be correct on an individual basis? absolutely. but are they useful regardless? most definitely. are they bad? absolutely not. labels are necessary. a society without labels is one in which there is no communication for language is simply a code built from labels.

maybe not the pigment of their skin, and maybe not your opinion of that person, but are there no assumptions made based on someone's culture? for example, i am Hungarian. with this knowledge, do you not assume that myself or someone in my family knows the language, makes Hungarian food, etc.? those labels are neutral. they are not good or bad. if you were to ask me if i know how to speak Hungarian or if i ever eat Goulash i wouldn't be offended in any way. that is, however, not so much of a stereotype, so i would assume you would probably be upset if i said "you're black? oh, do you know how to make grits? collard greens? do you like fried chicken? pigs feet? watermelon?" lol. stereotypes are a completely different ballgame. not all labels are stereotypes. as a matter of fact, 99.9999999999% of labels are NOT stereotypes.

i think he was just making that statement to say "bro, i listen to hip hop. how could i be racist when hip hop is diverse?" still doesn't necessarily make him not racist though, but i think it's obvious bacon isn't racist. i think a label can be used in this case actually. bacon is a white kid from the midwest, aka the bible belt. he probably has a lot of conservative friends, relatives, etc., that are from a traditionally white upbringing, and unfortunately, in recent history, that upbringing brought with it racism. so because of his upbringing, i would assume some of the language he uses can tend to be unintentionally racist. in California, both you and i have been around political correctness so long that it has become second nature. in the south, the midwest, and other more rural parts of the country, that political correctness has not been taught. so i don't think it's his fault that he comes off that way. i think it is, in part, due to his upbringing and he can't be blamed for that aspect of it, though ultimately he does bear responsibility for his words.

so yes, bacon, you should watch your words a bit more, but i understand where it comes from. doesn't mean you get a pass though lol.

i agree with this wholeheartedly.

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I totally agree with you.
Where I live isn't an excuse, but honestly alot of things that would be taken as something totally normal down here, I could see being considered racist or even hateful in other places.
For example, the Arizona immigration law... I personally don't see the problem with it. Arizona is a border state, nearly all illegal immigrants in the state are Hispanic, and illegal immigration is such a problem that there needs to be something that works. Period.
I don't understand why people think it's racist. It makes sense.
Oh well I'm off topic.

I agree with everything Erik said.

thats pretty much what bacon said in short. you just got too heated up with the race thing

OK, so ? they are all Hispanic, the USA should isolate itself then if they don't want immigrants, its a globalized world. For example watch the UK and other western European countries because of globalization they are flooded with immigrants. Its evolution, the world begins to consolidate very slowly but it is, in 200 years we will have a world government and all the local and native traditions we cherish will actually dissapear. Its evolution it is what it is.

I just don't think it's right that everyone else that lives here that is a legal citizen pays taxes for roads/schools/social programs and shit like that, and then illegal immigrants, regardless of ethnicity, get to use them free. some of them don't even work and they aren't putting anything back into the system at all.

And to be honest, I'm not supportive of the way the US looks at immigration (how we think ALL illegal immigration is ALWAYS bad and that illegal immigrants are criminals that should be punished, etc etc) BUT I think if the big-wigs in charge are going to bitch about immigration so much, then they need to strictly enforce the policy they stand behind and stop bitching about stuff and actually do what they are going to do.

As for the one world government thing.. If that's the case (which i believe it is as well) then what is the point in even hoping for some sort of libertarian society? That's why I label myself as an "apathetic" rather than saying I'm a libertarian socialist or something..
Because I'm not going to change the world. Anarchists aren't going to change the world. No one is. It's out of our control. We'll die and in 500 years none of this shit will matter.
So instead of aiming to change the big picture I just try to change and help the people/situations around me that are within my reach.
What is your view on this?

Conservaties use this "taxes myth" a lot, this argument is just empty. Scabbing in taxes always existed and always will, most of my Turkish or Arabs friends inclusive me have Romanian citizenship and still don't pay taxes just out of principle. Scabbing social programs the same, in fact high poverty amongs immigrants and among people in general makes them junkies to welfare programs, they become like junkies and live all of their lives off welfare programs because they transform it into a habit. How many Americans pay taxes? how many Americans live off welfare all of their lives? huh?. Be real and don't be a hypocrite. If everybody in the US and in the whole world in fact was so righteous then we would be living in the garden of eden, naked fucking each other without condoms.

If everybody thought like this we wouldn't have nothing to hold on , we would still practice slavery we would still have no labor or civil rights etc. We would still be in the fucking middle ages no?. Just think about it for a second, Revolution is evolution and nothing else, this is part of evolution as much as biology is part of it. Would there be a libertarian society in the future? maybe. Would there be a world dictatorship in the future? of course. Karl Marx said that the : "The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles. Freeman and slave, patrician and plebeian, lord and serf, guild-master and journeyman, in a word, oppressor and oppressed, stood in constant opposition to one another, carried on an uninterrupted, now hidden, now open fight, a fight that each time ended, either in a revolutionary reconstitution of society at large, or in the common ruin of the contending classes." - Chapter 1, The Communist Manifesto by the hated Karl Marx So i am what i am because its natural to be like this i will not change everything i know but i am the product of evolution as your apathy is too.

doesn't matter anymore

Why you think being an activist means being angry and pissed off? where are you living? have you ever saw activists at work ? what they do? activist help people from labor problems to the food not war projects for the homeless and so on what the fuck is wrong with you? i am a labor union activist i actually organize workers to fight for better wages for health benefits etc. wtf is wrong with you? your mind is totally on another world. Helping people is the basis of everything anyone with a sense of justice stands for