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| Lord_Meth |
Date: Sunday, 07/Jun/09, 4:54 PM | Message # 1 |
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This is question to anybody but.......
Why does the old school hip hop scene get a pass from the label "commercial rapper"?
There were copy cats and label bitches back then, but why is it now that they get brought to the radar?
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| Menace |
Date: Sunday, 07/Jun/09, 5:16 PM | Message # 2 |
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because back then corporate monopolization didn't exist back then there were neighborhood shows at TV giving air play to everyone why you think there was such diversity back then ?? why you think the whole diversity of hip hop came from those days ?? people weren't tied up people made their music as Tech said back then the artists made music not the dude in a suit and a tie think deeper Meth check the structure of the whole music industry
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| Lord_Meth |
Date: Sunday, 07/Jun/09, 5:22 PM | Message # 3 |
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Quote (Menace) because back then corporate monopolization didn't exist back then there were neighborhood shows at TV giving air play to everyone why you think there was such diversity back then ?? why you think the whole diversity of hip hop came from those days ?? people weren't tied up people made their music as Tech said back then the artists made music not the dude in a suit and a tie think deeper Meth check the structure of the whole music industry
Right I see, but check out the one hit wonders of then and now
U had kats like Tone Loc who made Wild Thing or Young MC and its certified Hip Hop classic, but Soulja Boy does it and its bad bad bad
I mean, the songs has the same meaning; to get people to dance, but Soulja Boy seems to get attacked more tho
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| Menace |
Date: Sunday, 07/Jun/09, 5:32 PM | Message # 4 |
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Quote (Lord_Meth) U had kats like Tone Loc who made Wild Thing or Young MC and its certified Hip Hop classic no they aren't i mean i never heard of this dude but whatever even if pop rappers were certified as hip hop classics look back and take a peak to that age let me tell you something i don't mind Soulja Boy being on the radio and entertaining the kids i don't mind it but i mind it when corporate monsters push his shit a 10000 times on the radio on a row and don't let anyone else get heard that is the DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NOW AND THEN back then pop rappers existed but they coexisted alongside people like Krs-One , Rakim . Kool G Rap . X Clan and such i don't mind them but when they are the only ones representing my culture and misinforming people then i call them out
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| Lord_Meth |
Date: Sunday, 07/Jun/09, 5:35 PM | Message # 5 |
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aight I hear wat ur saying now, yea it does seem like that
The only way now to get heard is to either make a dance, or get T-Pain or Lil Wayne on a track with you
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| Uncharted |
Date: Sunday, 07/Jun/09, 5:52 PM | Message # 6 |
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mc hammer was an another example
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| Menace |
Date: Sunday, 07/Jun/09, 6:01 PM | Message # 7 |
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in my aunts collection i have MC Hammer , Vanilla Ice and Paris and X Clan this shows that people actually listened to both pop rap and hip hop they coexisted together it was a balance on the airwaves
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| Lord_Meth |
Date: Sunday, 07/Jun/09, 6:05 PM | Message # 8 |
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Quote (Menace) in my aunts collection i have MC Hammer , Vanilla Ice and Paris and X Clan this shows that people actually listened to both pop rap and hip hop they coexisted together it was a balance on the airwaves
how come people cant do it now?
Like me for example
I listen to Eminem, Young Jeezy, Kanye, Jay-Z
Then I can also jump to Jedi Mind Tricks, Canibus, Immortal Technique, X-Clan (Which I found are extremely underrated)
so its not like people coexisting between mainstream and underground doesnt exist anymore, its just more rare
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| Uncharted |
Date: Sunday, 07/Jun/09, 6:05 PM | Message # 9 |
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Quote (Menace) in my aunts collection i have MC Hammer , Vanilla Ice and Paris and X Clan this shows that people actually listened to both pop rap and hip hop they coexisted together it was a balance on the airwaves
my dad have a collection full of house and hip hop underground and mainstream (good mainstream: nas, wu tang,etc) he always been a real hip hop head even till today, we hated that mc hammer, vinilla ice etc stuff
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| Menace |
Date: Sunday, 07/Jun/09, 7:18 PM | Message # 10 |
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Quote (Uncharted) full of house so what you think that was called back then ?? mainstream popular music too in fact House music was the shit back then the problem is not that we listen to popular music or mainstream music the problem is the music itself is tore down as an art music is not an art now days music is a product for consumption by the decades music becomes less and less creative
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 07/Jun/09, 9:13 PM | Message # 11 |
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Meth, to add to what Menace said, the real artists didn't just coexist with pop rappers, 9 times out of 10 real hip hop hits made it to the top of the charts for that year over pop rap. Look at a hip hop sales chart. Public Enemy, KRS-One, Eric B. & Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, EPMD, etc., on a regular basis had tracks that landed at #1 or close to it every year or their albums did while people like Vanilla Face, MC Hammer, Tone Loc, Young MC (who was actually decently lyrical if you listen to him btw), House of Pain, etc., often struggled to make top 3 if that. And FYI Meth, to say we only complain now is absolute bullshit. People have been complaining since at least 1992 and if I recall correctly a song came out in 1987 calling out corporate rappers but I may be mistaken because I do not recall what track it is, I just remember the year the track I'm thinking of dropped. I guarantee you a good handful of your favorite artists have dropped a track or two or even some of your favorite tracks have been about this exact subject. For example, the earliest I remember for sure was Gang Starr's "Mass Appeal," then Common dropped one of the most highly acclaimed tracks in hip hop history (and my current ringtone  ) "I Used To Love HER," then in 1998 Gang Starr came back with "You Know My Steez." And let's not forget Jeru The Damaja's "The Bullshit" and the other track off the same album (forgot the name) where he rescues hip hop from Bad Boy headquarters because they are holding him hostage and "fucking his mind up." Hell, 2pac was the butt of claims that he was "killing hip hop" until 1996 when he passed away. People have been talking shit about commercial hip hop FOREVER. Kool Keith and Percee P are two examples of artists who never went commercial who were known to speak freely (Kool Keith did it more to talk shit. Percee P was more humble about it) against corporate hip hop since the late 80's/early 90's.
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| Lord_Meth |
Date: Sunday, 07/Jun/09, 9:17 PM | Message # 12 |
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Well Im just saying why is it now that its being brought to full attention?
Once when Nas dropped Hip Hop Is Dead, it was like a red alarm for all Hip Hop MCs
Even KRS One jumped on that ban wagon along with a few others
If it was always a problem then why is it a major problem now?!
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Sunday, 07/Jun/09, 9:27 PM | Message # 13 |
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Quote (Lord_Meth) Right I see, but check out the one hit wonders of then and now
U had kats like Tone Loc who made Wild Thing or Young MC yeah they're pop singles did kinda suck to me though, the rhymes were weak on them. Quote (eboyd) Meth, to add to what Menace said, the real artists didn't just coexist with pop rappers, 9 times out of 10 real hip hop hits made it to the top of the charts for that year over pop rap. Look at a hip hop sales chart. Public Enemy, KRS-One, Eric B. & Rakim, Big Daddy Kane, EPMD, etc., back then maybe the hip hop charts, but the charts were dominated by pop artists like michael jackson or madonna or whatever. then in the 90's pop rap came up and started dominating the charts. Paid in Full * Released:October 10, 1985
* Chart positions: #58 US, Follow The Leader, and Don't Sweat The Technique did manage to crack the top 30 though but this is only for albums, if you're talking singles then the only Eric B & Rakim single that made any chart was Juice (Know The Ledge) which went to 96 on the pop charts so i don't know where you get these facts from.
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 07/Jun/09, 9:32 PM | Message # 14 |
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The end of your question makes no sense. If it was a major problem then, why wouldn't it still be today? Anyways, the answer I have is this -- what Nas did that no one had done before is bring this issue to mainstream attention and for that we must commend him. The reason he was able to do this was timing. There was an exponential growth of commercialization that had recently taken hip hop by storm. When people heard Nas they listened because 1 he was still somewhat relevant as an artist, 2 he had the proper promotion on his HHID project (Def Jam), and 3 he said what he did during a time when there was a huge (and growing) crowd of people becoming vocal about this issue and he was the one who decided to stand up and say something. Unfortunately, however, because of the huge commercial success of Nas' statement (regardless of the success of the album itself) a trend of people saying "Hip Hop Is Dead" began and unfortunately a majority of the artists who made that a subject of concern every track were just as fake as the ringtone rap fad that was steadily taking the world by storm.
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| Lord_Meth |
Date: Sunday, 07/Jun/09, 9:37 PM | Message # 15 |
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Quote (eboyd) Anyways, the answer I have is this -- what Nas did that no one had done before is bring this issue to mainstream attention and for that we must commend him. The reason he was able to do this was timing. There was an exponential growth of commercialization that had recently taken hip hop by storm. When people heard Nas they listened because 1 he was still somewhat relevant as an artist, 2 he had the proper promotion on his HHID project (Def Jam), and 3 he said what he did during a time when there was a huge (and growing) crowd of people becoming vocal about this issue and he was the one who decided to stand up and say something. Unfortunately, however, because of the huge commercial success of Nas' statement (regardless of the success of the album itself) a trend of people saying "Hip Hop Is Dead" began and unfortunately a majority of the artists who made that a subject of concern every track were just as fake as the ringtone rap fad that was steadily taking the world by storm.
Well u didnt understand my question but u gave a good answer to it
Wat u said makes sense, it was perfect timing and it just had the right stuff behind fueling the album and statement.
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