fuck that you took one part of my answer where i mentioned the culture part, READ the answer

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it's official RHHF policy to focus more on underground that's why i say it but unlike you I'm not whining

Nah bro, it's only you narrowing it down like that and it's personal taste. You may dislike the MANY cats I consider DOPE on the underground (and ftr there are WAY more underground cats than mainstream) but that's what I like. And as for Lil Wayne's new album, just listen to the music. It's pop music. Like I said, it's the vibe of the music. Listen to it and you will know where it fits. It's like any music. It's categorized by what it sounds like. You can also tell what the intentions of the artist were by listening critically and comparing it to what is selling right now. If you know all the politica/social climates/implications involved in the music industry right now you would see that what Lil Wayne is doing is making pop music. At least Kanye was honest and told the people his last album wasn't hip hop and actually labeled it "pop art" (shades of Andy Warhol haha!). There has been a recent trend, due to people being upset over pre-fab pop music of recent times (because it had become economically efficient to create formulas for making music but the people began to rebel against that and the corporations caught on), A&R's began teling artists like Lil Wayne to make something different. This lead to trends such as autotune, the resurgence of rap-rock (no, what Wayne is doing is NOT new) but with a pop twist, other old school hip hop related trends, etc. That is why what Lil Wayne is doing is NOT about the art, it is about his the fact that corporate interests were looking for something a little different and so Lil Wayne said "hey, why don't I pick up a guitar and try to sing like T-Pain?" and they said "good idea!"

If they are representing their own culture rather than hip hop they aren't making hip hop. That's the whole point. You want to make hip hop music? Represent hip hop culture. I don't get your point. And you don't need to be talking about hip hop constantly to rep hip hop culture. That's idiotic. You need a firm understanding of hip hop culture and you need to live and breathe it to be able to represent it. Is that so hard to understand? Like KRS said, if you are outside of hip hop culture looking in then you have no right to interpret it and cannot possibly correctly interpret it. That is where a lot of these cats are. Lil Wayne and TI are a lot closer to it and are arguably inside of it, but the music they represent, because they follow corporate interests and make music that fits more into the category of pop music, they aren't MAKING hip hop. It could be argued that they are within hip hop as people and could make hip hop if they so chose, but they place themselves outside of the genre with a majority of their works by following the paper chase. Of course this is a pointless comment because you are just going to misinterpret this and twist my words again.

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or ever understand it...

cos either everyones making hip hop and you're trying to find a reason which it isnt hip hop which is bullshit

or your talking about a different style of hip hop that represents the culture of this new style of music, which is seen but cant be called real hip hop man

man you guys here are so quick to attack people its stupid

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the reason im saying its bs is because in the south theres a different hip hop culture to the east and the west, culture as in the style and the way they make and sell hip hop. but you mean hip hop culture as in the culture of the music yeah... when you defined it lil wayne and ti fit into your image of real hip hop

then as your answer you say theyre not true to themselves and the "culture", theyre true to their culture. unless its hip hop culture but wtf is that if some artists are ok and some arent.

dont go at me for not debating, at least im replying and trying to get an end to this. menace just comes in says some bullshit then fucks off. this is the kind of talk i was talking about in the other thread its good to have discussion cos this "definition" of "real" hip hop is clear as mud.

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historically speaking we don't need to change the name whack artists need to stop labeling themselves hip hop if you look into hip hop history that's how it is even Kurtis Blow was called a "sell out" and pop because he did that add for Pepsi and changed his style this is not something new this is from the beginnings of the culture itself these leeches trying to suck the blood out of it

was the shittest answer i have ever heard.

you are the one trying to put "real" hip hop in a box, not me

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