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Hip Hop Police..who the hell gave the underground the badge?
Lord_Meth Date: Wednesday, 22/Jul/09, 1:50 PM | Message # 1

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I was thinking alot yesterday after hearing this comment from Common on this video
fastward to 1:10

"Chatroom geeks, critique my B-Boy physique. Who the fuck made you Hip Hop police. Keep on."

and I started thinking......Us on RHHF sometimes think we can tell say what is Hip Hop and wat isnt. How can we just judge wat is "real" and wat isnt?


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TheWatcher Date: Wednesday, 22/Jul/09, 2:35 PM | Message # 2

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Is this about you liking Relapse? (Just being a bitch)..

Each to their own.. It's easy to see what's watered down Hip Hop though and what's not.

eboyd Date: Wednesday, 22/Jul/09, 2:52 PM | Message # 3

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The title is misleading. It should be called "Hip Hop Police: Who Gave Web Nerds The Badge?!?!?!?"

Anyways, yes, it's true, internet cats have no right to critique an artist and down their shit when they've never done it themselves. That's like these fucking sports commentators who have never played football in their lives yet feel the need to talk shit about Phillip Rivers' throwing technique or the shape that Lendale White came to the combine in. Or what's worse (and probably more related) are the fans who sit in front of their TV all day yelling at their TV screen, telling their favorite player to do something knowing they can't hear them, eating potato chips, fully decked out in a team cap plus custom jersey (to fit their 500 lb. stomach), ready to talk shit about the rival QB to his face when he's never played ball in his life because he couldn't make his high school's B team. However, there was one commentator that had never played football in his life but he decided to coach and became one of the best coaches in the league and of course there's the guy who was depicted in that one movie with Mark Wahlberg where he never played ball and was a huge Eagles fan but tried out for the team and made it and played for 3 years. Those both negate our arguments so idk.


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Menace Date: Wednesday, 22/Jul/09, 2:55 PM | Message # 4

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hip hop is an actual culture recognized by the U.N. so from what i saw this website promotes culture not entirely music so we ain't hip hop police because we don't limit ourselves to music many people complain about this website but this website is the spearhead of hip hop as an entire way of life the way we manifest here whit the occasional arguments and funny talks we manifest exemplary I've been to other websites and i can't compare them whit us because i admit we are a bunch of pseudo intellectual hip hoppers :D even if we don't admit it we actually are even those that don't post philosophical or social shit we are the actual cream of hip hop :D

Lord_Meth Date: Wednesday, 22/Jul/09, 3:07 PM | Message # 5

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The title is misleading. It should be called "Hip Hop Police: Who Gave Web Nerds The Badge?!?!?!?"

Well I named it th Underground because that poem by Common made me think that most Underground fans think they can dicate wat is music and wat not....thats wat sparked my question..but it goes for Underground too if u feel the need to answer that as well
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Anyways, yes, it's true, internet cats have no right to critique an artist and down their shit when they've never done it themselves. That's like these fucking sports commentators who have never played football in their lives yet feel the need to talk shit about Phillip Rivers' throwing technique or the shape that Lendale White came to the combine in. Or what's worse (and probably more related) are the fans who sit in front of their TV all day yelling at their TV screen, telling their favorite player to do something knowing they can't hear them, eating potato chips, fully decked out in a team cap plus custom jersey (to fit their 500 lb. stomach), ready to talk shit about the rival QB to his face when he's never played ball in his life because he couldn't make his high school's B team.

AHAHAHA thats funny but true...People talk shit about players/artist but I bet if they were in their face they wouldnt say SHIT..I used to do that but not anymore cuz it just seems useless
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even if we don't admit it we actually are even those that don't post philosophical or social shit we are the actual cream of hip hop

but does that give us the right to judge wat is "real"?


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Menace Date: Wednesday, 22/Jul/09, 3:14 PM | Message # 6

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but does that give us the right to judge wat is "real"?

what is "real" is right on site having your mind filled whit as i call musical propaganda blinds you that's why most people are helped by others to see the truth as i sincerely helped you and i helped Nate if i or other people dictate what "real"is then you or others in the same situation would be my or somebody else copy if you know what i mean ?? and as i said in my opinion real can be seen whit the naked eye and whit the simple listen


Lord_Meth Date: Wednesday, 22/Jul/09, 3:20 PM | Message # 7

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and as i said in my opinion real can be seen whit the naked eye and whit the simple listen

right but wat may be real to someone else..may not be real to another am I correct?


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Menace Date: Wednesday, 22/Jul/09, 3:30 PM | Message # 8

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right but wat may be real to someone else..may not be real to another am I correct?

the same argument can be used to justify the death of hip hop and to justify Lil Wayne's presence in hip hop it's not relativist here because here is a universal viewpoint because it's not fashion here or even politics there always been as J breakz said a pattern for pop music and what we see on TV people always used that pattern for a long time so pop rap or fake hip hop can be actually picked out from hip hop and put outside pop music in general have the same structures and i don't mean Soulja Boy i mean people like TI and such because you can actually identify the pop elements from his music from his musical notes to his rhymes cause pop music always sounded the same


TheWatcher Date: Wednesday, 22/Jul/09, 3:33 PM | Message # 9

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right but wat may be real to someone else..may not be real to another am I correct?

I'm not sure what you're talking about, it really depends on what artists you're on about. Of course some people can relate to something that another person may not, for instance Tupac has got to be my top emcee but it's not because he has dope metaphors, multis or anything like that (although his flow is always good and even exceptional when compared to all the trash that's out there today), but because I can relate to a lot of what he's saying, he's dropped a lot of tracks which I consider classics and have some emotional meaning to me so Tupac for me is number one.. For Erik on the other hand I don't think he's even in the top 20.

However if you're talking about Kanye West (wack to me), Ludacris, Chamillionaire, Lil Wayne.. Then no.. That's all bubble gum, watered down commercial bullshit and it's not real to anyone it's just something that trend followers can vibe to..

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Lord_Meth Date: Wednesday, 22/Jul/09, 3:49 PM | Message # 10

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the same argument can be used to justify the death of hip hop and to justify Lil Wayne's presence in hip hop it's not relativist here because here is a universal viewpoint because it's not fashion here or even politics there always been as J breakz said a pattern for pop music and what we see on TV people always used that pattern for a long time so pop rap or fake hip hop can be actually picked out from hip hop and put outside pop music in general have the same structures and i don't mean Soulja Boy i mean people like TI and such because you can actually identify the pop elements from his music from his musical notes to his rhymes cause pop music always sounded the same

right okay so lets use me as an example aight?
I was 15 when I started coming around here....I came with a 100% mainstream mindstate..didnt kno anything about Hip Hop culture..yada yada blah blah right? Then you personally helped me understand wat is Hip Hop and all that other good stuff....okay knowing wat is considered "real" by Underground fans I can identify the fakeness of today's music even outside of Hip Hop! WOOT WOOT!! okay now that Ive familiarized myself enough with Underground MCs and got tired of hearing the sad song "Underground is the Real deal!" I eliminate the boarders "Mainstream" and "Underground" and start judging MCs soley on wat EVERYONE can come to a clear agreement on, the lyrics....okay so now that Im judging only on lyrics I find myself more open to alot of Mainstream artist who get banged by the Underground because they are Mainstream! and its gotten to a point were artist like Common, Nas, Dr. Dre, and Eminem get labeled "commercial", "sell-outs" and my favorite "WACK!" Common has enough weight on his belt to watever he wants with his music..Common isnt the one to sell out so why is he called one by the Underground? Why is Nas, a freggin legend, dissed with being commercial?
How can the underground just come to sudden agreements on shit like this?
Its taking it the point were they arent even looking at the lyrics anymore...but by their popularity, their connections......etc....I mean wat happened just looking at the lyrics? I kno a wack artist from a good artist....Eminem (DOPE) to AZ (FUCKING SUCKS)...
if you really think about it does it matter if mainstream Hip Hop dies and becomes 100% commercial? As long as there are still dope MCs rocking it somewhere else whether in the Staple Center or a local club, does it matter if he is commercial or not? I just want RAW ASS rhymes.....


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Lord_Meth Date: Wednesday, 22/Jul/09, 3:51 PM | Message # 11

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Basically....to shorten everything up i just said...wat ever happened to just judging the lyrics?

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Menace Date: Wednesday, 22/Jul/09, 4:01 PM | Message # 12

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THAT'S THE FUCKING problem and i never said shit about mainstream or underground plus in hip hop there is a tradition to stay the fuck out of pop culture while Eminem and other don't HIP HOP was created as an alternative to pop culture and hardcore hip hop fans are like that when a MC even if he's real let's himself over commercialized and becomes a pop icon of course he will be disliked by the hip hop community because he's not part of hip hop anymore he blended into the shit that we always tried to avoid your an American for fucks sakes Hip Hop's homeland we even have here shows like Urban Groove that examines the cultural and musical sides of hip hop and shit

eboyd Date: Wednesday, 22/Jul/09, 4:04 PM | Message # 13

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Luda and Cham are actually decent. A lot of real heads consider them real. Nothing special and if anything fence riders, but nonetheless, for the most part real. And Kanye's beats are fucking ill and his rapping on College Dropout was decent too.

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Lord_Meth Date: Wednesday, 22/Jul/09, 4:07 PM | Message # 14

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THAT'S THE FUCKING problem and i never said shit about mainstream or underground plus in hip hop there is a tradition to stay the fuck out of pop culture while Eminem and other don't HIP HOP was created as an alternative to pop culture and hardcore hip hop fans are like that when a MC even if he's real let's himself over commercialized and becomes a pop icon of course he will be disliked by the hip hop community because he's not part of hip hop anymore he blended into the shit that we always tried to avoid your an American for fucks sakes Hip Hop's homeland we even have here shows like Urban Groove that examines the cultural and musical sides of hip hop and shit

yea but you keep talking bout him being pop and wat not but Im judging these type of artists by their lyrical....well I see it different probably cuz I dont have as much coperate knowledge and stuff like you but Im talking about...why cant we just look at lyrics? somehow the fact they are commercial block most cats from that. I mean like with Em...he may be a commercial artist but he's one with RAW ASS lyrics...Ludacris may be commercial but he has some heavy punches
Why cant the underground look at that?


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Lord_Meth Date: Wednesday, 22/Jul/09, 4:11 PM | Message # 15

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Luda and Cham are actually decent. A lot of real heads consider them real. Nothing special and if anything fence riders, but nonetheless, for the most part real. And Kanye's beats are fucking ill and his rapping on College Dropout was decent too.

^^^ There we go, but idk why the fact thay theyre commercial is a problem for thinking their rhymes are nice


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