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| Menace |
Date: Sunday, 20/Dec/09, 9:27 AM | Message # 46 |
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Quote (ALCATRAZ) look, you are obviously not black, so leave the meaning of it up to us !!! we are the only ones who are allowed to say it off the internet anyways !!! transformed a word ?? how can you transform a word that has such a negative connotation ? this is the hypocrisy of the American conscious house Negroes as Lorenzo Kom'boa Ervin coined them . We hypocritically condemn one version of it and praise the other one tough the historical and social connotation behind the word still exist . How can you condemn one and praise the other ? as a black man how can you do that ? Quote (ALCATRAZ) look, you are obviously not black, Actually , i was born in Egypt , Africa from a Senegalese mother and an Egyptian father , you don't squat about me so stop judging me . Plus even if i wasn't anywhere close to African i had the right as an historian/academic to study and explain the word " nigger " . Plus escaping the realities of "race" will make you more enlighten my brother  .
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| abanks47 |
Date: Sunday, 20/Dec/09, 12:55 PM | Message # 47 |
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Quote Then why don't blacks unite and just say "Fuck the system". There is no "racial infrastructure" which holds them back. People who are oppressed are holding themselves back. Freedom is a matter of free-will. You want it, you do it. Whether it is right or wrong doesn't matter. You fucking do it. That is freedom. You are only as oppressed as you let yourself be. Quote We tried that remember COINTELPRO ?? and how literally the US government massacred any opposition ??. The US has the bloodiest history of repression in human history some academics estimate that the history of repression in the US was and is bigger then that of totalitarian countries like the former Soviet Union . And it goes beyond race they destroyed the workers movement in the 20's they framed and killed Sacco and Vanzetti they infiltrated the " Industrial Workers Of The World " and they internally destroyed this organization the same tactic used on the Wobblies was latter used in the 70's on the Black Panthers . Any effort of grassroots organizing on a large scale is severally disrupted by the government . I thought you knew a fair amount of US history to understand this , freedom was never practiced in the US it was only repressed as Howard Zinn said the " relative freedom and democracy you have now was won by the socialists and anarchists of the US by their grassroots efforts " these Utopian dreamers as you once called them Taylor won the little freedom you have .
Reading this hell of reminded me of Nat Turner, not surprised if you don't know who he is since they don't teach him in school, but he led the largest and bloodiest slave revolt. believe me they got that brother and didn't string him up. there was like a 10 minute trial, they severed his head and put out in public for a few weeks. IN AMERICA Quote transformed a word ?? how can you transform a word that has such a negative connotation ? this is the hypocrisy of the American conscious house Negroes as Lorenzo Kom'boa Ervin coined them . We hypocritically condemn one version of it and praise the other one tough the historical and social connotation behind the word still exist . How can you condemn one and praise the other ? as a black man how can you do that ?
Many do use the word in a different light, attempting to and essentially have done so by using it with a at the end. but brings us to the beginning of the debate once more, where me personally regardless of how it's used, it potentially can still be offensive to someone regardless of its intentions. And come on now dude, i may be taking this wrong but "American conscious house negro". that shit is more offensive than nigger to me. by that logic, Lorenzo was referring to every african-american world wide who has embraced the word nigger as nigga and reshaped it from a term of endearment to something to communicate casually with there friends too. thats a hard thing to do, that i do not agree with but can't hate on too much. Lorenzo sounds like he has knowledge but to me, sounding real real ignorant with that one, type casting an entire group of people for there view points on a single word can never be good. Quote Actually , i was born in Egypt , Africa from a Senegalese mother and an Egyptian father , you don't squat about me so stop judging me . Plus even if i wasn't anywhere close to African i had the right as an historian/academic to study and explain the word " nigger " . Plus escaping the realities of "race" will make you more enlighten my brother .
If that were the case (speaking of course, you being a historian) than you'd be doing those an injustice to not mention how the word has changed over the decades. you cannot act like it hasn't brought on other meanings in its damn near 500 year existence (prolly longer).
A WELL DRESSED SKELETON SLOWLY CUTS YOUR THROAT. "I Have No Fear Whatsoever of Anybody or Anything" -Malcolm X “those who consider themselves the most adamant adherents of “real” hip-hop can also be the least knowledgeable.” –Adilifu Nama; an excert from his perception of Nas’s “Genesis”
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| Menace |
Date: Sunday, 20/Dec/09, 2:40 PM | Message # 48 |
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Quote (abanks47) Many do use the word in a different light, attempting to and essentially have done so by using it with a at the end. but brings us to the beginning of the debate once more, where me personally regardless of how it's used, it potentially can still be offensive to someone regardless of its intentions. And come on now dude, i may be taking this wrong but "American conscious house negro". that shit is more offensive than nigger to me. by that logic, Lorenzo was referring to every african-american world wide who has embraced the word nigger as nigga and reshaped it from a term of endearment to something to communicate casually with there friends too. thats a hard thing to do, that i do not agree with but can't hate on too much. Lorenzo sounds like he has knowledge but to me, sounding real real ignorant with that one, type casting an entire group of people for there view points on a single word can never be good. How can the African-American man let their own history be transformed into commodities that can even be bought and sold ? it's disgusting for me. Quote (abanks47) If that were the case (speaking of course, you being a historian) than you'd be doing those an injustice to not mention how the word has changed over the decades. you cannot act like it hasn't brought on other meanings in its damn near 500 year existence (prolly longer). of course i show that i show the other side of it too and let's be serious here this dude Alcatraz saying we changed the word and made it cool and good what we made cool ?? did anyone bothered to follow and study the cultural influence this word had ? the word itself made the problem worst made the "nigger" situation worst .
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| abanks47 |
Date: Sunday, 20/Dec/09, 4:21 PM | Message # 49 |
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Quote how so? our ancestors were raped,pillaged,killed,turned into salves we fought for rights in america the same as blacks and we eve fought for rights in our own country against america we go through civil wars with the u.s.a helping the guys with more money and i can go on for days. don't think blacks have it worse the only reason you seem to have it worse is cause its more televised
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Quote What about mexicans, jesus christ we got it worse atm, and no one ever thinks about it. You ever those Wayne Wright commercials.
that statement was a response to me speaking about an entire races history, and i feel that "at the moment" (past 10-20 years or whatever dude was trying to point out) the mexican struggle could not possibly measure up to the black struggle. but c'mon can we really compare the suffering of one group of people to another? Quote How can the African-American man let their own history be transformed into commodities that can even be bought and sold ? it's disgusting for me.
I am the part of the african-american race that will never forget its history. dont think for a second thats what im living under but at the same time i cant live with blinders on and pretend that it has not gotten new meanings. Quote of course i show that i show the other side of it too and let's be serious here this dude Alcatraz saying we changed the word and made it cool and good what we made cool ?? did anyone bothered to follow and study the cultural influence this word had ? the word itself made the problem worst made the "nigger" situation worst .
I think he meant "cool", as in it is now accepted in main stream america, similiar to the movie bamboozled did with black face. even though that movie was shocking i dont feel its far off from what happend to the word "Nigger". I was watching the boondocks one time and they bleeped out "bitch" and "fuck" but allowed "Nicka" and "nigga". shit blew my mind.
A WELL DRESSED SKELETON SLOWLY CUTS YOUR THROAT. "I Have No Fear Whatsoever of Anybody or Anything" -Malcolm X “those who consider themselves the most adamant adherents of “real” hip-hop can also be the least knowledgeable.” –Adilifu Nama; an excert from his perception of Nas’s “Genesis”
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| ALCATRAZ |
Date: Sunday, 20/Dec/09, 5:09 PM | Message # 50 |
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Quote (Menace) transformed a word ?? how can you transform a word that has such a negative connotation ? this is the hypocrisy of the American conscious house Negroes as Lorenzo Kom'boa Ervin coined them . We hypocritically condemn one version of it and praise the other one tough the historical and social connotation behind the word still exist . How can you condemn one and praise the other ? as a black man how can you do that ? the blacks of today use the word NIGGA as a term of endearment, whether you accept this reality is not my problem ... "turnin nothing into something, it's hard work" - nas Quote (Menace) Actually , i was born in Egypt , Africa from a Senegalese mother and an Egyptian father , you don't squat about me so stop judging me . that's cool and all, but regardless of your skin color, if you aren't from america you simply don't understand the rules to the game ... this is OUR WORD ... white people gave it to us to make us feel bad, we simply said "hey, let's use the word to our benefit as a defense mechanism so we can't let that word hurt us in the future" ... is it contradictory? maybe, but the world ain't perfect ... and as a black man living in america i can tell you that word defines love to blacks more than African or African American or any other bourgie word whites have come up with to label us ... i'm a nigga, nigga is me ... u mad? Added (20/Dec/09, 5:09 Pm)
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Quote (Menace) here this dude Alcatraz saying we changed the word and made it cool and good what we made cool I never said cool, nerd ... I said we turned a negative into a positive ... we don't go around saying NIGGA for brownie points, we honestly idenitify ourselves with the word. What, you think if whites were to suddenly up and disappear we'd stop using the word? LOL, we identify with this shit, this is real to us !!! "He is I and I is him" - Snoop Dogg
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Sunday, 20/Dec/09, 5:17 PM | Message # 51 |
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Quote (ALCATRAZ) i'm a nigga, nigga is me ... u mad?
It's whatever, and if that makes you happy to be called that by other black people then nobody should take that away from you. But I would think you're quite offended when someone directs the word nigg"er" towards you, even a little stunned when it's a black man. It's because you put a lot of power behind the word and it's hurting nobody but you. Yes white people has done a lot of bad things to black people in the past and used that word but how do you think people are going to progress if we let words hold us back? I'm not encouraging the use of the word, I'm just saying that if people stop putting power behind the word than we will prevent a lot of racism from ruining people's self esteem. And this doesn't just go for nigger, it goes for every racial slur out in the world.
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| Adam |
Date: Sunday, 20/Dec/09, 5:21 PM | Message # 52 |
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Quote (abanks47) but c'mon can we really compare the suffering of one group of people to another? Dude you have pretty much subliminally did just that this whole conversation...
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| ALCATRAZ |
Date: Sunday, 20/Dec/09, 5:31 PM | Message # 53 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) if that makes you happy to be called that by other black people then nobody should take that away from you you're diggin too deep ... i don't walk around the streets anticipating someone to call me NIGGA so i can get my daily dose of self esteem ... this is something ingrained in our psyche ... the word has never been foreign to us, regardless of how you spelll it ... all i'm saying is that blacks have created a way to dull the sword, so to speak ... that's why we make it a point of reference that only WE can use it ... it's OURS now ... and i'm sure you know what happens to people who don't obey the rules we set in place in regards to that word Quote (J-Breakz) I would think you're quite offended when someone directs the word nigg"er" towards you, even a little stunned when it's a black man. in my 23 years of life i've never been called a nigger by another black man ... even if i was, it would only mean he was one as well ... goes back to the old childhood saying, "takes one to know one" ... does that help you understand why we say only WE can say the word ... "you're a nigga, i'm a nigga" ... it's more than just the word itself, that word defines the struggle we've been through and that we have still survived and will continue to survive ... why people can't see that even in 2009 is beyond me Quote (J-Breakz) if people stop putting power behind the word than we will prevent a lot of racism from ruining people's self esteem look man, i see where you're coming from, but the world ain't perfect ... people often tend to forget that blacks didnt have fully equal rights until damn near the mid seventies, and that's not even my opinion, that's the general white consensus ... my PERSONAL belief is that we are as equal as oranges and grapes, but that's for another thread ... all i'm trying to say is that we got much more to worry about than derogatory words in the case for the advancement of Blacks in America ... we don't ask for much, all we ask is that you keep that word to yourself ... say it around your friends, say it at home at the dinner table, don't don't bring that shit around me, unless you want a busted lip 
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| abanks47 |
Date: Sunday, 20/Dec/09, 6:07 PM | Message # 54 |
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Quote Dude you have pretty much subliminally did just that this whole conversation...
in what ways? I'm simple stating how i feel about a word. plain and simple. if thats to you me subliminally comparing the black struggle to others your a fuckin retard. Quote you're diggin too deep ... i don't walk around the streets anticipating someone to call me NIGGA so i can get my daily dose of self esteem ... this is something ingrained in our psyche ... the word has never been foreign to us, regardless of how you spelll it ... all i'm saying is that blacks have created a way to dull the sword, so to speak ... that's why we make it a point of reference that only WE can use it ... it's OURS now ... and i'm sure you know what happens to people who don't obey the rules we set in place in regards to that word
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A WELL DRESSED SKELETON SLOWLY CUTS YOUR THROAT. "I Have No Fear Whatsoever of Anybody or Anything" -Malcolm X “those who consider themselves the most adamant adherents of “real” hip-hop can also be the least knowledgeable.” –Adilifu Nama; an excert from his perception of Nas’s “Genesis”
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 20/Dec/09, 6:13 PM | Message # 55 |
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Quote (ALCATRAZ) look man, i see where you're coming from, but the world ain't perfect but we can always strive to get closer and closer to this idea of perfection even though we will probably never reach it. of course i think "perfection" is a nonsensical term, but that's not for this thread.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Sunday, 20/Dec/09, 6:20 PM | Message # 56 |
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Quote (ALCATRAZ) you're diggin too deep ... i don't walk around the streets anticipating someone to call me NIGGA so i can get my daily dose of self esteem ... this is something ingrained in our psyche ... the word has never been foreign to us, regardless of how you spelll it ... all i'm saying is that blacks have created a way to dull the sword, so to speak ... that's why we make it a point of reference that only WE can use it ... it's OURS now ... and i'm sure you know what happens to people who don't obey the rules we set in place in regards to that word
But I'm sure it's good to think that blacks have created a way to dull the sword. That's what I'm trying to get at. And fa real, I do somewhat agree with you. Quote (ALCATRAZ) all i'm trying to say is that we got much more to worry about than derogatory words in the case for the advancement of Blacks in America ...
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| ALCATRAZ |
Date: Sunday, 20/Dec/09, 6:20 PM | Message # 57 |
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Quote (Eboyd) but we can always strive to get closer and closer to this idea of perfection even though we will probably never reach it. of course i think "perfection" is a nonsensical term, but that's not for this thread. ^^i feel you, i understand it must be hard for a white man who never had anything to do with slavery or ignores or doesn't acknowledge institutionalized racism to live their life in fear of using that word ... in their mind they are probably thinking "i'm white but i love everyone, i should be able to say what i want" ... but seriously, what are you gonna do? these are the way the cards have been dealt ... we don't have control over much in this world, so the few things we do have control over, we govern sternly ... just the way it is man
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| abanks47 |
Date: Sunday, 20/Dec/09, 6:21 PM | Message # 58 |
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Quote your talking shit man black people aren't going through anything at the moment only the ones in third world countries but the ones in America have it good. and the whole latino struggle CAN compare to the black struggle its the same thing we fight for freedom
dude you're not hearing me. im saying the black struggle overall, compared to the last 2 decades of the latin struggle. IMO not comparable which is what i thought the watcher was referring to, the overall latin struggle i do not know enough about and therefore feel that i cannot compare the two. and shut the fuck up saying blacks dont go through shit, no one hearing that bullshit
A WELL DRESSED SKELETON SLOWLY CUTS YOUR THROAT. "I Have No Fear Whatsoever of Anybody or Anything" -Malcolm X “those who consider themselves the most adamant adherents of “real” hip-hop can also be the least knowledgeable.” –Adilifu Nama; an excert from his perception of Nas’s “Genesis”
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Sunday, 20/Dec/09, 6:23 PM | Message # 59 |
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Oh, this is fun, the ole which one has a harder life game....
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| abanks47 |
Date: Sunday, 20/Dec/09, 6:31 PM | Message # 60 |
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Quote Oh, this is fun, the ole which one has a harder life game....
im getting sick of defending my statement. overall i feel NO struggle is comparable. human suffering is just that and should not be compared, its crazy to do so IMO
A WELL DRESSED SKELETON SLOWLY CUTS YOUR THROAT. "I Have No Fear Whatsoever of Anybody or Anything" -Malcolm X “those who consider themselves the most adamant adherents of “real” hip-hop can also be the least knowledgeable.” –Adilifu Nama; an excert from his perception of Nas’s “Genesis”
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