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Mainstream Vs Underground
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| Adam |
Date: Thursday, 14/Apr/11, 9:21 PM | Message # 1 |
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I ran into a comment made on a video recently where some guy said that, "mainstream rappers have no idea how hard it is for us hoodlums in the underground." Naturally it was the highest rated comment, but I completely disagreed I mean underground rappers only have to worry about one thing and thats getting noticed, whilst a person with a great amount of media attention has to worry about every little move he makes. Theres sample clearance and making sure you make more than what you put into the album while competing with illegal downloading. I mean its quite obvious which area is harder on a rapper... any of you guys think differently?
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| eboyd |
Date: Thursday, 14/Apr/11, 9:47 PM | Message # 2 |
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i agree with you 100%, but i think context is important. i think you are misinterpreting what the guy was saying. i think he was speaking simply in terms of how difficult it is to make the music one makes on the mainstream vs. on the underground.
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| Greeny |
Date: Thursday, 14/Apr/11, 10:38 PM | Message # 3 |
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He doesn't have to worry about it. But if he wants to stay on the top of his game, he'd have to maintain his image.
I'm not with all of that. If I was to be famous, I wouldn't really give a shit about my image. I'd go out say I love sucking dicks if I felt like it. I'd want people to listen to my music because they like it rather than because like my image.
I wouldn't last a week in the music industry. Of course I agree that the underground artists have nothing to lose, while the mainstream artists got everything on stake. And I agree with the Youtube commenter if he meant it the way Erik expressed it. Added (14/Apr/11, 10:38 PM)
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Quote (Greeny) the underground artists have nothing to lose,
Don't stress "nothing"
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| EverGlazed |
Date: Friday, 15/Apr/11, 9:30 AM | Message # 4 |
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I think people forget that mainstream artists dont actually have to worry about as much as you think.
Not when theyve got the entourage of advisers, managers, assistants, beauty therapists, ball scratchers, hairdressers, accountants, bodyguards, web developers, fake girlfriends, expensive whores, nose pickers, ghost writers, artist liason's, chef's, butlers, dog walkers, girlfriend walkers, maids, masseurs etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc.................you know?lol Obviously I know there's disadvantages to being a mainstream artist, but I dont think they can really complain tbh.
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| eboyd |
Date: Friday, 15/Apr/11, 11:01 AM | Message # 5 |
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no man, there's a shitload of stress that makes that all irrelevant, and most artists don't get perks like that. the majority of mainstream artists have to do a lot of their own groundwork to get their correct promotion and at the end of the day they need to sit in a room with a dickhead record exec that has never been an artist in his life whose job it is to dissect their album and tell the artist he needs to change 90% of it to have a more commercial friendly sound or else he will be dropped from the label. underground artists don't have to deal with any of that.
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"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"
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| EverGlazed |
Date: Friday, 15/Apr/11, 9:22 PM | Message # 6 |
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Obviously I was exaggerating a little..........  lol Not all mainstream artists get perks like that, but I dont think all mainstream artists get treated as bad as they make out man.
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| ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Friday, 15/Apr/11, 10:34 PM | Message # 7 |
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but if they run around saying they love sucking dick, they won't be famous, cause that's the nature of the industry at the moment.
however its changing. i'm seeing more and more rappers saying fucked up funny shit in the mainstream than i have in my (short) lifetime. i'm sure i've overlooked plenty of people though (not just rappers).
Life's a bitch and I'm just along for the ride.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Monday, 18/Apr/11, 12:43 PM | Message # 8 |
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A mainstream artist just needs to worry about making music. He has a lot of extra jobs covered for him in exchange for working with record executives that have spent years creating connections that allow opportunities like that. Hence why they stress making singles "radio friendly". An underground artist doesn't have to worry about making his music radio friendly, but he has to worry about promotion, finding an audience for his music (which could be pretty hard if he/she isn't making radio friendly music) booking shows, negotiating wit sleazy coke head promoters, etc etc. Another thing that gets old is all the fuckin weird ppl in the scene... Whats easier for an artist depends on the reason their making music.
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| Adam |
Date: Monday, 18/Apr/11, 4:08 PM | Message # 9 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) but he has to worry about promotion, finding an audience for his music but what will happen if he doesn't find promotion??? nothing so theres no point made there. a mainstream artist has to make sure he makes the right kind of radio music while not spending to much money to avoid going into debt with all the illegal downloads. ALSO they got to make sure they can keep up with the record companies demands why do you think so many radio rappers are unknown after like a few months.
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| Chinita |
Date: Monday, 18/Apr/11, 8:29 PM | Message # 10 |
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i agree with eric's first reply up there and this..
Quote (J-Breakz) but he has to worry about promotion, finding an audience for his music (which could be pretty hard if he/she isn't making radio friendly music) booking shows, negotiating wit sleazy coke head promoters, etc etc. Another thing that gets old is all the fuckin weird ppl in the scene... i think its hard for the underground because they have to keep up an image or they get dropped pretty quickly..the underground community/fans/hip hop heads dedicated to the hip hop culture.. are a tuff bunch of picky people like myself  they have to keep it authentic, real, lyrics, image ect and everything else or they won't be accepted neither in mainstream nor with underground heads..
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| Adam |
Date: Monday, 18/Apr/11, 8:30 PM | Message # 11 |
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but not being accepted in the underground doesn't mean you cannot gain that acceptance, or that you will never have a chance to get accepted. if your mainstream however and you fall off you can't get back into it because record labels don't want to deal with that.
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| Chinita |
Date: Monday, 18/Apr/11, 8:42 PM | Message # 12 |
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Quote (Adam) ut not being accepted in the underground doesn't mean you cannot gain that acceptance, or that you will never have a chance to get accepted.
if your mainstream however and you fall off you can't get back into it because record labels don't want to deal with that.
true, both have their downfalls...they do have a bettter chance at gaining that acceptance again but its not easy to gain that respect back but i get what ur saying..
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| eboyd |
Date: Monday, 18/Apr/11, 9:15 PM | Message # 13 |
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Quote (ilikebacon3000) i'm seeing more and more rappers saying fucked up funny shit in the mainstream than i have in my (short) lifetime. i'm sure i've overlooked plenty of people though (not just rappers). That's because shock value has become appealing to the mainstream once again, which can be taken in a good or a bad way. It can be taken as good because it means a lot of artists are beginning to try new, unexpected things, but it can be bad because more and more artists are going to try new shock tactics that aren't necessarily artistic or creative, just crazy, different, and possibly even outright stupid. Examples of (in my opinion) positive/neutral shock tactics in order of occurrence: -Nas dropped "Hip Hop is Dead"
-Nas dropped "Untitled"
-Odd Future Wolf Gang begins recording music, doing shows, etc., and saying the crazy shit they say Examples of (in my opinion) negative shock tactics in order of occurrence: -Soulja Boy shouts out the slave masters in an interview
-Lil Wayne makes a rock album
-Lil B releases "Like A Martian"
-Lil B titles album "I'm Gay"
my new theme song
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"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"
-T.S. Eliot
battle record:
7-0-0
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| Adam |
Date: Monday, 18/Apr/11, 9:19 PM | Message # 14 |
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Quote (eboyd) Odd Future Wolf Gang begins recording music, doing shows, etc., and saying the crazy shit they say fail odd future was way before untitled... and possibly hip hop is dead.
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| Menace |
Date: Monday, 18/Apr/11, 9:22 PM | Message # 15 |
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Quote (eboyd) That's because shock value has become appealing to the mainstream once again, which can be taken in a good or a bad way. It can be taken as good because it means a lot of artists are beginning to try new, unexpected things, but it can be bad because more and more artists are going to try new shock tactics that aren't necessarily artistic or creative, just crazy, different, and possibly even outright stupid. Examples of (in my opinion) positive/neutral shock tactics in order of occurrence: -Nas dropped "Hip Hop is Dead"
-Nas dropped "Untitled"
-Odd Future Wolf Gang begins recording music, doing shows, etc., and saying the crazy shit they say Examples of (in my opinion) negative shock tactics in order of occurrence: -Soulja Boy shouts out the slave masters in an interview
-Lil Wayne makes a rock album
-Lil B releases "Like A Martian" Spoken like a true citizen of our fair Republic 
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