Best of 2011 So Far?
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Lord_Meth |
Date: Tuesday, 16/Aug/11, 4:33 PM | Message # 31 |
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Quote (eboyd) however, Mac Miller is no better than Lil Wayne, except for maybe by his beat choice. in fact lyrically speaking, Lil Wayne is actually superior. but of course that isn't the only factor that is important, i'm just saying that the kid is an amateur that got a chance to make it to the pros, no different from Lil B (at least he's better than Lil B though). This, I understand. He's not a wordsmith by any means, but I like his persona, and (not to be lame) his swag. He just has a real laid-back appeal to him. I know he's not a lyricist but I also focus on other aspects of an artist besides their lyrical abilities. His lyrical content for that matter is quite thin as well, btw. Quote (eboyd) he doesn't deserve the hype and he doesn't represent the culture. it's not only about being true to yourself. you can't just listen to ATCQ and Outkast and then go and claim you are a hip hop head. the kid is obviously a novice in the hip hop culture when it comes to his knowledge. he's like you when you first joined the site, claiming he's a hip hop head. that shit is not real hip hop. I can understand why you say this as well, but I guess I'm more forgiving of him because I can relate to his immaturity when it comes to the culture. I recognize he's young (he's only like a few months older than me) but I think with some growth and if he dedicates himself to his craft, he can be real special.
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ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Tuesday, 16/Aug/11, 5:17 PM | Message # 32 |
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Quote (eboyd) you can have your opinions all you want and so can someone else, but we're talking about real hip hop here, and Mac Miller is pretty much the opposite of that. i mean you can tell by his music that he has some pretty good influences, but as an emcee he sounds like just about every other amateur emcee i've heard who smokes too much and lives in his rich parents' basement. his lyrics are terrible, his flow/delivery sounds like stereotypical stoner whiteboy bs, etc. again, have your opinions, but if you like Mac Miller, and most of the music you listen to is like his, you probably don't belong on this site. Alright.. let's say Dr. Dre never hit it big with NWA but somehow he still released the Chronic and snoop was still on the album and whatnot.. wouldn't that basically make the chronic a mac miller album? we can all agree that dre's lyrics on chronic are garbage yet we all praise it for the production and call it real hiphop. i don't know. it just seems to not make sense to me.
what if mac made his own beats but his lyrics were still wack? would he be regarded as real hiphop then? no. so why do we do that with dre?
Quote (eboyd) ok so Lil Wayne is the greatest rapper of all time, Soulja Boy saved hip hop, all hip hop older than 2000 is wack as fuck, lyrical shit is too complex, club/party shit is where it's at. i'm going to hold you to that quote
Quote (Lord_Meth) oming from who's point of view? He's not perputrating a mindless thug or trying to be something he is not. He's a white boy from the suburbs who likes things any normal teen would; weed, girls and clothes. He's being honest with himself and not trying to fit the strict image of a "Real" Hip Hop artist. Is that not "real" enough? Or does he have to rap about fictional MCs tryna constantly battle him, why he shouldn't be fucked with on the mic, or how he makes the crowd react when he raps? The kid is only 18. I never said he or anybody I mentioned was the savior of Hip Hop. I simply said that because of them the mainstream's focal point isnt solely on Lil Boosie, Lil Wayne or anybody of that nature. But yet, there's underground purist and old school hip hop heads who haven't listened to a Hip Hop record after 2001 hating on these new cats tryna do something different in the mainstream. I can now watch BET and see more homage being paid towards Nas and Eminem instead of T.I. and Lil Wayne because of these dudes. They at least deserve some respect for that. basically this. i see nothing wrong with mac miller, and personally i don't really care if anyone calls him hiphop. because i don't see his fans running around being like "LOL WE R HIPHOP HEADZ WE LISTEN 2 MAC WE R REAL HIPHOP FANS YOU MAINSTREAM FAGGOTS!!!" All I see them do is yap their little suburban mouths about Taylor Gang and how many bomb-ass-bitches they fuck. That's their business. personally mac is like a 2011 Asher Roth to me.. an obnoxious high school party rapper.
Quote (eboyd) it's not only about being true to yourself. you can't just listen to ATCQ and Outkast and then go and claim you are a hip hop head. the kid is obviously a novice in the hip hop culture when it comes to his knowledge. he's like you when you first joined the site, claiming he's a hip hop head. that shit is not real hip hop. i'm starting to view hiphop culture how i view punk rock culture and shit. watch the movie "slc punk". in the end, we all lose, or sell out, or something of that nature anyways, what's the point in proving all of this shit? it's all labeling. that is all it is. the music is still the same. the same music still exists. it will still get the same exposure. it all just comes down to right place, right time, for the most part. sometimes we don't always understand why something blows up. but it does for a reason. like how tyler blew up. he just came out with the right shit at the right time.
Quote (eboyd) let's represent the independent artists who deserve to make it but haven't yet for some reason. that's cool but we shouldn't expect any real reaction from anybody from it. they remain underground for a reason, and it's because the vast majority of people are too fucking absentminded to give a shit about anything remotely important. what is important to us as individuals are not always important to them, and that's fine by me.
i think it's good to represent the underground artists but nobody should expect, or even WANT reaction from anybody outside of the underground community. the second the underground community starts aching for that reaction from the mainstream also is the second they begin doing shit from that point on for commercial recognition.
Quote (Lord_Meth) I guess I'm more forgiving of him because I can relate to his immaturity when it comes to the culture. i've said something close to this before as well. it's kind of cool in a weird way. he's rapping about the exact shit i see kids at school doing/talking about.
Life's a bitch and I'm just along for the ride.
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ilikebacon3000 |
Date: Tuesday, 16/Aug/11, 5:18 PM | Message # 33 |
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ALSO THIS. Just switch the shit to hiphop culture, and it's respective uhm.. what's the word.. like elements, subcultures within it, etc etc and they are similar. reminds me of it so much.
Life's a bitch and I'm just along for the ride.
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Lord_Meth |
Date: Tuesday, 16/Aug/11, 6:10 PM | Message # 34 |
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Quote (ilikebacon3000) it all just comes down to right place, right time, for the most part. sometimes we don't always understand why something blows up. but it does for a reason. like how tyler blew up. he just came out with the right shit at the right time. I swear I was just thinking about this for the past couple of weeks. U read my mind. The people who blow up blew up because of the precise timing of their music. Eminem exploded into the spotlight when everybody was on the bling bling steed and boy groups thing. He came in dissing everybody and he was catapulted into fame. Taylor, ur 100% right on this. Quote (ilikebacon3000) personally mac is like a 2011 Asher Roth to me.. an obnoxious high school party rapper. Wiz Khalifa is the same. He's just a fad. Quote (ilikebacon3000) i think it's good to represent the underground artists but nobody should expect, or even WANT reaction from anybody outside of the underground community. the second the underground community starts aching for that reaction from the mainstream also is the second they begin doing shit from that point on for commercial recognition. Lol good point. If the underground wants to stay underground and keep doing what they're doing, they shouldn't make music to try and get their attention.
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EmSeeD |
Date: Saturday, 29/Oct/11, 3:54 AM | Message # 35 |
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just heard this song, this song has a lot of potential, love the hook, already got 700,000 views, not bad for a canadian underground artist
Saukrates - Say I
http://chirbit.com/emseed http://youtube.com/siwooot
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Treach |
Date: Sunday, 30/Oct/11, 12:33 PM | Message # 36 |
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a shitload of dope albums have come out this year, voting is gonna be hard
"We took pride in intellect and skill Now you gotta have some sex appeal to get a record deal" - K-RINO
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EmSeeD |
Date: Monday, 31/Oct/11, 2:26 AM | Message # 37 |
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Quote (Treach) a shitload of dope albums have come out this year, voting is gonna be hard
man i need to hear some coz i've hardly heard any albums from this year
http://chirbit.com/emseed http://youtube.com/siwooot
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