maybe people debate a few minors but its mostly there

The World Is Yours

also he lists general fields of science and the atom, evolution, etc, when none of these things go against Christianity, not one

and i did watch the entire video, it proves nothing, other than random pointless things like what fire is composed of......YOU tell me the "point" everything in that video was leading towards....and don't say something so general and brief without explanation like "religion is illogical"

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also, who moved this back to the rant forum??????????????

and menace, that's some "solid argument" you got there against the existence of God

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

You tell me, what is the significance of the atom against religion?
What is the significance of quantum equations against religion?
What is the significance of DNA against religion?
What is the significance of spectroscopy against religion?
What is the significance of red shift against religion?
What is the significance of stellar nucleosynthesis against religion?
What is the significance of radioactivity against religion?

This is almost everything he listed. This shit is not vague like you claim.

So what do you think? The fire in hell isn't like real fire requiring oxygen and the chemical reactions of atoms to burn? It's magic fire right? (keep in mind that the fire explaination simply was a representation of many other things that scientists have broken down enough to understand and that the ideas of religion is bullshit because it doesn't operate within the laws that make all this phenomena possible) This brings me to another point. Why would there be fire in hell? Why couldn't it be some other sort of mind blowing phenomenon not common to earth? Why fire? Because man put fire in his imaginary hell, that's why.

HOW THE FUCK IS MAKING A WOMEN OUT OF A MOTHER FUCKING RIB LOGICAL?
HOW THE FUCK IS SPLITTING A SEA MOTHER FUCKING LOGICAL?
HOW THE FUCK IS FITTING THE WORLDS ANIMALS ON A MOTHER FUCKING BOAT LOGICAL?
HOW THE FUCK IS A VIRGIN BIRTH MOTHER FUCKING LOGICAL? (<----aha ironic)
HOW THE FUCK IS THE THOUGHT OF A SKY CIELING MOTHER FUCKING LOGICAL?
HOW THE FUCK IS CONSTRUCTING A TOWER TO HEAVEN OUT OF PRIMITIVE MATERIAL MOTHER FUCKING LOGICAL?

Let’s think about this shit for a second. Dumbass dropout Jimmy from the trailer park believes in religion because it is easy to understand and he grew up with it in his family. Meanwhile, brilliant groundbreaking 8 year college doctorates degree scientist Alfred believes in no religion because he is thoroughly educated.
And you’ll say oh but wait, there are thoroughly educated people who believe in religion! Well they are morons because they either don’t understand what they have been educated upon, or religion has always been in there life for them to ever abandon it. OR for the more lucrative approach, they use religion as a tool to control the masses or to profit in some way. It is pretty clear who is credible here.

Btw, it is so funny because I'm still a young person, and I only have a fair understanding of science. Science is not my favorite particular interest. But see I could easily debate the most prominent religious leader with ease because all theists use the same argument and it gets no more compex. But I would like you to imagine debating a prominant scientist and see how well you do. His grasp on the knowledge of scientific explaination would be far superior than mine because he would be able to get much much more complex than I can. Like I said science is not my passion so it is not my favorite subject for knowledge, but regardless I have a fair understanding of it and can clearly see, even with my basic understanding, that religion is fraud. I am confident in my understanding and of my position. I can barely imagine the confident clear understanding a prominent scientists, or even intellectual, would have on this subject.

this is what you're saying:

1. God doesn't exist, therefore miracles (ie "illogical" things cannot exist)
2. The Bible contains miracles and "illogical" stories
2. Therefore God doesn't exist

to put it differently, it doesn't matter how one feels about the notion of a talking animal, the question is, if God exists, what then is irrational about Him simply manipulating something He create to preform a certain act? is this hard to understand or what?

and now id like to show my video, and i beg you to watch it....but i think its only fair that i give u a chance to respond....if ud like...

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

This is important because it digs at the root of religion and your bible. The bible says we were created. If evolution is true, then we definitely came from ancient apes. Therefore the bible is wrong about human origin, and therefore it makes us wonder what else it could be wrong about.

1:No body has died and came back and said they saw god
2:theres been no scientific evidence of proof that god has ever excisted
3:you say The Bible contains miracles however "Harry Potter" "The land before time"
"the never ending story" "mighty ducks"(there was also a mighty ducks book)
"LOTR" all had "miracles" in them yet we all know there just "books/movies"
4:why would god from making Dinosaurs to then making people? and wipe out
the Dinosaurs did he do that just to make room for humans?
5:God is all knowing why did he let tho's jews homos n jahavos choke in the gas chambers?
why didn't he stop the slaughter of the people who built some of the traintracks in the US? (the chinese)
why did he let all them homes been burnt down and why did he let people lynch a man
why didnt he stop the slave ships before they made to africa?, why didnt he stop
the people who forced the aboriginal people to jump of a clif to there deadths?

not true, a lot of people have died and claimed they saw heaven or hell

yes but they never claimed to be real

i supose i could find some answer to this but i'm too tired to even bother go look.

for the other questions i personally don't have a good answer right now

this is true. Nate makes us non-believers look REALLY dumb. ah well. anyways, that can be explained. scientists now say that when people "die and are revived" it is just their heart stopping momentarily. clinical death is not actual death. additionally, during clinical death certain chemicals are released that make people hallucinate. very often, because people are so conditioned toward God, given the circumstances they are in, they have a hallucination of God/heaven. we will never know for sure, but that is what doctors are now talking about.

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"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"

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yep and i've experienced something similar, if i sleep on my back i can stop breathing so i have to sleep on my side, when i sleep on my back the oxygen in my body won't move properly so my brain is trying to wake my body up so it gives me nightmares etc to try and wake me up, but apparently when this happens i can be dead for a few seconds

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"Everything happens for a reason" or "It was the devils work" or my personally fav
"God can't be everywhere at once".....

there is something called sin...WE sin...sin is not pleasing to God, so it shouldnt be in his presence....without God, there is suffering...ok, so for all those who died, they're Christian so what's the big deal? for those who weren't Christian, they rejected God....for those who didn't know God, God is merciful and will judge them according to their conscience....so what's the problem? God didn't say He would eliminate suffering, we deserve more than death, eternal damnation, but because of God's love and mercy, He has saved us

and now i would like to show u guys a video....mainly for i-guy, furious pryme, actually anyone who is reading this

please watch from at least 5:27 to finish...i showed you a video from this priest before:

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

hey, wheres the "missing link" wheres the half monkey half human, the monkey that can stand up n run straight like us.. wheres the humans who look disformed that.. oh never mind.. its jus a THEORY

ha

I know it's complete bullshit, but it's useless to bring up the arguments you are bringin up FuriousPryme, because if you were paying attention to this thread you would have seen that we already went over these points. Sodr cannot understand, therefore we must move on to different topics. You are going to bring this discussion to a circle so just chill or learn what we have and haven't talked about.

You better be joking? That is one of the weakest arguments ever proposed.

Sodr I cannot consider that video even the slightest because they are passages straight from the bible. Thes same bible that I say is bullshit. It tries to elaborate on nonbelievers. But this shit was written long before the time of Science, and complex scientific understandings. So to say this scripture applies to modern intellectual doubters is absurd.

I would have considered the points a bit more if it was straight from a man dropping philosophy that would not use the bible as a source. Give me some secular points as to why the bible should be respected or believed in.

yh i am kinda jokin, and i do support it, and i am a believer in god and jesus. but evolution is still a theory and hasnt been 100% proven.