Nothing ever works long term

yes it does bring me one example when participatory democracy and industrial democracy whit out the interference of the state turned bad ?? i can give you historical examples that it worked an example is Ancient Greece and look in comparance at 5000 years of either monarchism or republicanism or any form of STATISM we see that from the birth of the first Republic In Rome to the birth of the Socialist Republic Of Russia all turned in despotic regimes and guess what America is on the way to it whenever you have centralized authority you will have big problems so dude THINK BEFORE YOU WRITE

like i said nothing ever works long term

well thats a rhetorical answer so maybe consider before you write rhetoric BS cause that's not relevant here

Nothing ever works. I dont have to write some bigass history lesson for people to get that. If it worked in ancient greece and it actually worked we would still be doing it but it didnt so were not. thats Human nature so IT DIDNT LAST. now maybe for the short term but like the guy said he's getting his company back thats just how shit works. and its a good thing that shit happens cause then there would be no need for people like you no need for a revolution like you put it.

well you need a history lesson to learn about this man THIS is against the STATE and all centralized power history teaches us that whit out the state and a centralized power things are better but the STATE always finds a way to destroy the people's power its not a problem from the inside they always destroyed us from the outside in Spain in 1939 it was the same the Fascist Spanish backed by Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy destroyed the anarchist movement of the CNT-FAI and installed a dictator get your facts straight we never had problems on the inside they always sought to destroy us and dude they are making a expropriation act that means a nationalization act so under the laws eyes the factory will be in the hands of the people

I understand that. Which is why i say it will never work for a long time its all short term. We'll never get rid of the STATE and a Centralized power.

well that's arguable i think you don't need a debate whit me about the State paradox

lol Yeah

I was told when there's something you could change around,
To keep quite you got nothing to complain about,
You got work to do, I don't know if that'll work for you,
But thats how Plague works it through,
And my work is personal, I'm a work in person,
I put in work, I work with purpose,
You feel the impact? Yeah i know its working,
See god did not make me a fearful person,

no find a better metaphor