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| J-Breakz |
Date: Sunday, 24/Jan/10, 0:38 AM | Message # 31 |
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Quote (I_Guy) Why would you say he's an idiot? Because he bashed capitalism?
Because his communist manifesto has many big contradictions and false assumptions within it that can't be tolerated for society to function properly. If you don't like capitalism, I don't care, no capitalist truly cares. As a matter of fact, in my society there's nothing stopping communists getting into a nice big group, putting their money together, buying a nice piece of property and just living in your own way.
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 24/Jan/10, 9:50 AM | Message # 32 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) Because his communist manifesto has many big contradictions and false assumptions within it that can't be tolerated for society to function properly.
No one has a completely clean philosophy. The fact is we're human and we can't anticipate everything or oversee all aspects. He's had a great contribution. And he put a first great foot down against the evils of capitalism. Additionally, he didn't only philosophize about politics and economics.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Sunday, 24/Jan/10, 12:05 PM | Message # 33 |
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Quote (I_Guy) He's had a great contribution. And he put a first great foot down against the evils of capitalism.
Yeah I'm sure the people of cuba and the people that lived during the soviet union have a lot of thanks to give him.... dammit, there's no *roll eyes* smiley
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 24/Jan/10, 2:13 PM | Message # 34 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) Yeah I'm sure the people of cuba and the people that lived during the soviet union have a lot of thanks to give him.... dammit, there's no *roll eyes* smiley
What Stalin and Castro did with Marx's philosophy is out of his hands. That's like blaming Charles Darwin for Hitler's genocides, just because Hitler justified his actions by the processes of evolution.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Sunday, 24/Jan/10, 3:25 PM | Message # 35 |
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Quote (I_Guy) That's like blaming Charles Darwin for Hitler's genocides, just because Hitler justified his actions by the processes of evolution.
Hitler merely used Charles Darwin's theory as an excuse to impose on other people's liberty. Karl Marx made a specific plan that Stalin & Lenin, and Che & Castro tried carrying out.
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 24/Jan/10, 5:06 PM | Message # 36 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) Hitler merely used Charles Darwin's theory as an excuse to impose on other people's liberty.
And the factors could easily be in place to disrupt and ruin your plan or my plan depending on the circumstances and the managment in those circumstances.
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 24/Jan/10, 10:26 PM | Message # 37 |
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Che didn't do a damn thing wrong. don't bring him into this.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Sunday, 24/Jan/10, 10:35 PM | Message # 38 |
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Quote (eboyd) Che didn't do a damn thing wrong. don't bring him into this.
He got Fidel Castro into power. Every economic plan he tried to implement ended in failure also. He tried to have morals as the incentive which had workers productivity heavily drop with high amounts of absentees. A world without Che would probably be a better place, even if Che did truly believe he committed no wrong in his mind.
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 24/Jan/10, 11:21 PM | Message # 39 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) He got Fidel Castro into power. Every economic plan he tried to implement ended in failure also. He tried to have morals as the incentive which had workers productivity heavily drop with high amounts of absentees. A world without Che would probably be a better place, even if Che did truly believe he committed no wrong in his mind. Fidel Castro was the problem, not Che. he didn't put Fidel in power. Fidel came to Che to help him with the revolution. study up on Che. he didn't expect Castro to do what he did. Castro betrayed Che. though i disagree with Che on many levels (mainly regarding his Marxist philosophies), he is a great figure and we can use both his failings and his successes as a great example of how a revolution should be.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Sunday, 24/Jan/10, 11:56 PM | Message # 40 |
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Quote (eboyd) Che on many levels (mainly regarding his Marxist philosophies), he is a great figure and we can use both his failings and his successes as a great example of how a revolution should be.
Do you know how many lives he has affected for the worse?? The head political figures in Uruguay worship and idolize him. My family and other uruguayans are dirt poor because of the policies they're applying inspired by Che. I don't mean to get too personal with this but of course I'm going to bring Che into this.
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| eboyd |
Date: Monday, 25/Jan/10, 5:17 AM | Message # 41 |
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Quote (J-Breakz) Do you know how many lives he has affected for the worse?? The head political figures in Uruguay worship and idolize him. My family and other uruguayans are dirt poor because of the policies they're applying inspired by Che. I don't mean to get too personal with this but of course I'm going to bring Che into this. those are ideologies espoused by Marx, championed by Che, and misrepresented by many across Latin America. the problem with Che's/Marx's ideas is that they can so easily lead to corruption, even more easily and to a higher degree than state capitalism. they are much easier to abuse because at least state socialism gives off the facade of being for the people. capitalism, and not just state capitalism, is explicitly cutthroat so people don't get duped as easily and money and labor aren't so easy for the elite to steal from the working class as a result. in state socialism it is like taking candy from a baby. Che's ideas, while a bit off, are not necessarily bad. prior to Castro and Che, when Cuba was still a definitively capitalist nation, some of the biggest deficits between working class and bourgeoisie left working Cubans en masse in a status of economic peril, starving and dying of malnutrition. unfortunately the people of Cuba picked the wrong leader. if Che would have stayed in Cuba to lead, i truly believe things would have been very different, though they still would not have reached their potential.
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| J-Breakz |
Date: Monday, 25/Jan/10, 5:36 PM | Message # 42 |
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Quote (eboyd) Cuba was still a definitively capitalist nation
Cuba's economy was heavily regulated before fidel castro rose to power, you can read up about it on wikipedia. The proper way to solve this, however, wouldn't be more govn't. I'm sure you would agree with this?
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| eboyd |
Date: Tuesday, 26/Jan/10, 4:03 AM | Message # 43 |
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Yes, I agree
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