Interesting . Very interesting .

Giving your allegiance to the nation-state exactly what i told you about patriotism and such in the other thread . Nothing is done for the mutual benefit of all in agreement whit everyone the nation-state embodies everything there is nothing against the nation state . From this the fascists took their ideas of state reverence and national pride and took them to the extreme .

indeed

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what if the government of that country itself was perpetuating terrorism in other countries (such as Nicaragua, Sudan, Chile, Venezuela, etc.) and ignoring the world court and UN sanctions that were placed upon it and pissing off other governments and organizations all over the world by funding terrorists (including the very terrorists that decided to attack us who lead such attacks because they lost our support because they decided to no longer be our puppets) in the first place? also, what if you signed up to fight the enemies (such as many Americans did, including well-known NFL safety Pat Tillman, who also became very critical of the US when he found out our government's true intentions) and instead got sent to fight in a country that had nothing to do with the atrocity itself that you wished to fight against? and what if there was a better way to handle the situation than forceful, violent justice? and what if in the process of fighting for the freedom and safety of your family back home, your government demanded that you bomb a Sudanese pharmaceutical factory that just so happened to produce 50% of the entire country's medical supplies, including it's entire supply of the cures for tuberculosis and malaria, in effect leading to the deaths of countless numbers (somewhere in the tens, possibly hundreds of thousands) of Sudanese civilians, most of which were women and children? what if they asked you to assist the troops of General Pinochet (who became the fascist dictator of Chile) in deposing and assassinating the democratically elected leader of Chile, Salvador Allende? or the democratically elected leader of the Congo, Patrice Lumumba? or the current president of Venezuela (who, luckily, escaped the attempted coup and reclaimed power) Hugo Chavez? or the countless other democratically elected leaders who have been deposed or who the CIA has attempted to assist in deposing? and there are plenty of other examples. i can go on and on. and that isn't even to mention the domestic terror our country has put us through (look up MK Ultra and Operation Mongoose just to name a couple).

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And what if the people who educate were too ignorant or too cold hearted to tell the truth to the next generations. It's your choice: you can educate yourself and inform others, or you can believe the accounts of the history books in the schools.

And Abanks, serious questions:
What makes America the best country in the world? (If "it's not the best", go to next question.)
What makes America different than any country in the world?

word. and they accuse us of revisionism in history. pfft!

i know i'm not abanks, but i will tell you that, while not the very best (i know people that lived for a time in America and, for example, Austria, that much prefer Austria), America is one of the best nations in the world as of current TO LIVE IN. that, of course, is at the expense of the rest of the world. Latin America, for example, has suffered direly at the hands of the US.

the wealth that we hoard within our country, the fact that we don't get attacked very often, our freedom of expression laws which are held far more sacred by us than most other countries, etc. on the same token, however, we are one of the most religiously extreme nations in the world, we live in a terrorist state, we have a highly invasive authoritative structure, while freedom of expression is respected by the government, individualism is not at all accepted socially (due in part to corporate mass media), etc.

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yeah we did .

EXACTLY . The original pledge didn't include under GOD because God was used by monarchists because the King was chosen by god hence the Divine right of kings http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_right_of_kings .

Pen, tell me. would you consider it a big issue if this was the pledge?:

"i pledge allegiance to the flag of the white nation of America, and to the republic for which it stands; one nation without God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all".

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It is an issue a big issue in fact . Firstly its historical revisionism and perversity . Secondly its the state anthem the state is secular . Secularism is what actually gives you the RIGHT to practice your own religion so i think you as a religious person must defend secularism at all costs .