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Capitalism's Annihilating Factors
I_Guy Date: Sunday, 07/Feb/10, 4:14 AM | Message # 1

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Capitalism is irrational.
Capitalism creates annihilating factors.


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I_Guy Date: Sunday, 07/Feb/10, 4:15 AM | Message # 3

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Annihilating Factors:

Cosmetics Industry & Fashion Industry vs. Food Industry & Beverage Industry vs. Medical Industry, Exercise Industry, Diet Industry, & Surgical Industry vs. Insurance Industry vs. Other Industries

To attain profits, cosmetic corporations like to market make-up, skin products, hair products, oral products, hygiene products, etc. Then there is the fashion corporation that markets clothing, hats, shoes, purses, wallets, etc. These two industries compliment each other. And they market this shit by advertising a FALSE image. In their marketing campaigns they mythologize beauty by having professional photographers who know how to get the lighting just right, they have expert make-up artists, they have airbrushing in photo editing programs, and they portray models who have a particular genetic type and who can afford an expensive workout routine. The result is a fictional depiction of beauty as a standard to which people aspire. So consumers go out and naively buy these products thinking that it will make themselves something like the images in the advertisements. They pursue a standard for beauty that can never be achieved.

So, the Cosmetic and Fashion Industries project a standard for beauty and appearance.

HEALTH
BUT! Then you have the Food Industry, Candy Industry, and Beverage Industry who undercut quality food and drink. Beings garbage food is cheap to make, that is what is most available. Almost anywhere you go you end up finding low quality food, even in some restaurants. Some restaurant food is high quality food, but it still damages any “health diet,” because often the food is fried or marinated in salts, fats, oils, and other ingredients, basically ingredients that don’t help a person to maintain or gain a fit body. Similarly, candy is offered everywhere. At every cash register, along with junk food, candy is displayed to people who fail to resist the urge to purchase it. Additionally, almost EVERYWHERE you go to eat, all that is offered is soda, or soda-essence disguised as tea. You find it in all over fast food chains, most cheap restaurants, gas stations, virtually everywhere. People have trouble resisting this cheap garbage. People have trouble resisting because it is in our biological make up to crave salts, sugars, carbs, starches, and fats, because they were hard to get in our evolutionary past and they are essential to energy levels and energy storage. So of course these corporations exploit what we can barely biologically resist. (As far as our biological make-up, brain physiologists have discovered where in the brain eating control is located. The hypothalamus essentially controls the metabolic system. It also controls part of our ability to control our cravings, along with a couple other areas of the brain. The hypothalamus will override the cerebral cortex [area giving ability to reasoning and rationalizing] every time.) So people sometimes can’t simply resist. It is in the fundamentals of their composition to fail at resisting.

So people end up eating all this garbage, and guess what? Their physique is ruined. Some people are genetically predisposed to having an unappealing physique to begin with.

But with the beauty standard in place by Cosmetic and Fashion Industries, many many many people find the need to try to stay fit in the midst of this garbage food and drink.
So what do people do? They seek out the Exercise Industry, and the Diet Industry, and the Surgical Industry. The pay for gym memberships, exercise equipment, pills and powders, liposuction, plastic surgery, some of which is bad for them. All of these industries fuel each other at the expense of the individual’s health and wealth. The individual is annihilated.

Additionally, all of this garbage food and drink increases medical risks on our health. So what do people do? They seek out the Medical Industry to give them medicine for diseases caused by the Food and Drink Industry.
Similarly, (as a small example) people tan to try to obtain that ideal complexion of the beauty standard set by the Cosmetic/Fashion Industry. Long-term tanning can cause skin cancer and once again they are knocking on the Medical Industry’s door. Tanning also accelerates the dermatological effects of aging. So people go waste their money on plastic surgery to fix that, because hey, EVERYONE’S GOTTA LOOK BEAUTIFUL. Or they buy topical creams, liquids, make-ups, or bullshit infomercial junk that is supposed to alleviate these aging symptoms. Much of the chemicals in the topical products are questionable for health. And this again takes them full circle to the Medical and Surgical Industries.

The Alcohol and Smoking Industry advertises their products in a similar way that the Cosmetic/Fashion Industries do. They set a standard for “cool” behavior, how to be a “cool” person. People buy into it and then 50 years down the road they’re dropped off at the Medical Industry.

Oh but wait, all this medical care needs insurance! So people pay the Insurance Industry to pay the Medical and Surgical Industries to fix issues that are caused by the Food/Candy/Drink/Alcohol/Smoking Industries and inspired by the Cosmetic/Fashion/Diet Industries. And all of these problems are manufactured for profits. Meanwhile the individual is annihilated. But wait, there’s more.

All this industry can’t create all these problem enforcing products without also creating its unnecessary pollution. Our water is polluted, and do you know what that means? Polluted sea food! That sure contributes to our health, don’t it! ***The Medical Industry will be waiting.*** Additionally, our water purification plants have to work even harder and harder to purify the waters as they get dirtier. The standard price for city water goes up. And what do we do with all the pollution that we extract from our drinking water? Well we dump it right back into the earth! That’s good for our soil you see! Damn, how smart of us! We pollute the underground water table, which we cannot purify by any method. Therefore crop fields are eventually affected making it more difficult to grow crops because the soil is more inhospitable to plant-life, it is also more easily exhaustible, and unreplenishable. So farmers have to pump the soil with fertilizers and steroids (which pollutes the soils further as the chemicals break down and concentrate in other locations) to make these crops grow (which supports a yet again another industry). That’s good for our health TOO! ***The Medical Industry will be waiting.***

Our air is polluted and we all know that is good for our health! ***The Medical Industry will be waiting ***. This pollution contributes to global warming. Global warming results in weather instability due to the climate dynamic. And this means more frequent more powerful hurricanes and tornados. Therefore higher levels of destruction is on the way. Luckily, we have Construction Industries that can profit from these disasters as they get to sell all varieties of construction equipment and products. Other industries get to move into disaster areas and set up shop to appear as saviors and then exploit and capitalize on the desperate people in need of products and services. These industries get to initialize everything I have previously addressed now in new nations.

OBSOLESCENCE
So to what are many of these industries devoted? They are devoted to manufacturing products. Oh but they don’t tell you that they deliberately design them to wear out and break down. That way you’re knocking on their door again. Ever hear the phrase, “They don’t make’em like they used to.” Absolutely true, and it’s on purpose. This “planned obsolescence” has given birth to a new sub-industry in stores. People are now aware of how easy it is for shit to break and wear out so they purchase rip-off service plans (insurance) to take care of it just in case. It also gives birth to a Parts and Repair Industry. Fortunately for the store, they know about when the product is intended to wear out so they set the service plan to expire just before the product wears out. Additionally, this planned obsolescence results in extreme waste of all kinds of resources. It also contributes to pollution as the trashed items end up in landfills where they pollute the soil and water table once more. This planned obsolescence also requires us to cut down more trees, dig up more ground, and spend more money.

And for what are all of these products designed? Most items are designed to take care of human tasks or make tasks much faster (dish washers, microwaves, computers, printers, multi-functional cell phones, lawn mowers, snow blowers, chainsaws, nail guns, cars, airplanes, calculators, vacuum cleaners, ready-made food, anything digital, anything automated, etc.). This gives people more leisure time, which they ALSO design products for. Video games, television (which advertises all the products that create these problems), standard Hollywood movies (which portrays the standard of unachievable beauty and cool style), magazines (which advertise the problem enforcing products), and news (which is basically entertainment nowadays), all of which helps support all the problems. So what is the industry doing here? They are creating time-savers so that they can sell time-takers. An attempt to minimize work and maximize play. All of a sudden, more and more children are diagnosed with A.D.D. ***The Medical Industry will be waiting.*** Could it be all the manufactured distractions in life?

Also, the compression of task-time and task-difficulty and the maximization of playtime easily produces escapist sedentary lives that are filled with the video games, TV, movies, news, and other bullshit. Let’s hope those people don’t aspire to the aesthetic beauty standard set by the Cosmetic/Fashion Industry. If they do they're shit out of luck.
But perhaps the person is more business oriented and they prefer no leisure time. They focus on getting business done and making money so that they can buy more products that save them more time so that they can get more business done and make more money so that they can buy more products that save them more time so that they can get more business done and make more money so that they can buy more products that save them more time so that they can…..
So they benefit well form the time-saving products that are created. Well as products are built to allow for more tasks at a higher pace, the person has more on their plate. This entails more stress because there are more things to worry about. Suddenly, people need caffeine, energy drinks, pills, and drugs to keep up with the work (which can become addictive). Additionally, less time means less time to cook and eat. They resort to the cheap, quick, and easy garbage food to save time (which can become addictive). ***The Medical/Diet/Exercise/Surgical/Cosmetic Industry will be waiting.***

EDUCATION
And as people are sucked into this annihilating machine they are grinded up. In the shadow of all this, education is pushed to background as business and the need to profit to get ahead takes the forefront. Thus, people are less educated to recognize the serious destruction of this system. The system appeals to their uncontrollable and oblivious urges and desires.

It all stands in direct opposition to education. The usual education that most people receive is an education that is rooted in training them to be effective problem creators, instead of problem solvers. The only problem solving they do is solving the problems created by other industries that have their own people doing the same thing. So all of these industries sell solutions to problems created by other industries that sell solutions to problems created by other industries that sell solutions to problems created by other industries that sell solutions to problems created by other industries, on and on into a full circle. Meanwhile the individual in annihilated in the center. No matter what, the individual is in one way or another caught in this cycle of annihilation. It’s something I have realized lately. Everything in human civilization is built on the annihilation of something else. Eventually it will be our demise.

THE ANNIHILATION
In doing all of this, we offset the symbiosis that preceded the rise of our civilization. So far the symbiosis has been able to reset itself and evolve alongside our destructive development. But for the past 50 years we have began to see the symbiosis break down. Because we drift further and further away from our original place in this world at far too fast of a rate for the earth to keep up. As our population grows all our problems compound. Some people will say that it is natural, and it is natural actually. The naturalness of it is us emerging as the most destructive parasites of all time. Parasites are a part of the symbiotic process all the time. So sure, it is natural. But in admitting this, we have to also admit that a complete annihilation is also natural, and we will go down with everything else. Because parasites die within the host that they suck dry. Our despicable conduct will degrade the earth possibly beyond our repair and we will simply vanish. Much of the life on the planet will be wiped out as the balance fails to regain its footing. We’ll vanish like we deserve to. And life will simply evolve again. Hopefully a new intelligent species will come along and be a bit wiser than we were.

In light of all of this, the problem is colossal. Anyone who realizes this unfathomable problem faces complete despair, as I do. A world of apathetic people is manufactured, and an unfortunate few face complete helpless hopelessness as they realize this. The psychosomatic effects of this system create neurosis in human beings that then begin to cause the growing social problems that we have (crime, poverty, stratification, prejudice, etc.). People grow frustrated and deranged when they attempt to have it all. They seek the solutions that the different industries create, but the solutions contradict each other. So they can’t have it all, and this creates a suffering people. It is a cruel system, no doubt. It’s probably the biggest most complicated paradox of all time. All the problems of the world are interrelated and a major contributor to the problems is capitalism. Politicians try to solve these problems with solutions that originate from within the box of ignorance that capitalism helps create and deliberately perpetuate. Full speed ahead capitalism.

A lot of the shit I mentioned is only a tiny slice of the pie. Only a few examples were given. I didn’t even mention the annihilating factors of industries pushing for war for profit, and we’ve already been over much of the philosophical aspects which I hope you recall. But I’m not trying to write a book here. But this is a rough outline that I have previously only touched on bit by bit (which I’m still kind of doing here).

But really J-Breaks, Capitalism is an inward built system. It is extremely conservative in a sense. It doesn’t want possible change for the better (unless of course it is profitable). For this reason it is unsustainable because it doesn’t look ahead. It is only concerned with the here and now. Capitalism is an inward growing system. Capitalism has set limits which force it to only expand inward. It exploits all space within its limits. Individuals feel the pressure build within. We feel it now. Eventually it will run out of space to expand and annihilate all within. The system will implode. Anarcho-communism and anarcho-syndicalism is an outward growing system because it keeps the future in mind and its fundamental composition is an open system, not a closed one. You can imagine capitalism to be a brain that continuously grows within a skull that doesn’t grow at all.

So yes, as I said, capitalism is irrational, and it creates annihilating factors.

Next, I’ll hit you with the “tyranny of ideas.”


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J-Breakz Date: Sunday, 07/Feb/10, 4:15 AM | Message # 4

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before I prove you wrong again I just want to say I'm sure you could of made your point without having to write a long ass post like this.

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before I prove you wrong again I just want to say I'm sure you could of made your point without having to write a long ass post like this.

No, I could not have. Big complicated issues require big complicated posts.


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skin products, hair products, oral products, hygiene products

most of them are derived from petrochemicals, and have poisonous substances in them.

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Food Industry, Candy Industry, and Beverage Industry who undercut quality food and drink.

a majority of supermarket food brands are owned by a handful of multinational corporations, giving the illusion of choice.

In the long run what your saying is correct, capitalism must fall, as its just a system of full exploitation, fueled by the greed of the the overseers. The collapse of society will happen down the track sooner or later, as lack of proper education increases and increases, you will see tyranny in governments rise as people will become to stupid to realize whats happening to them. Linked with the chemical imbalances pushed in food these days which create disturbing consequences (i actually believe that ADD and ADHD are caused by chemical inbalances by shit food). In the long run all i see a majority of the education system achieving is conditioning people to a class based system. They will also push through fascist laws disguised as "humanitarian" efforts and the such. There is no better slaves than ones who "believe" they're free.

if you want to see a good documentary based on the corporate controlled food industry in america (also throughout the world) i suggest watching one called food inc.


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most of them are derived from petrochemicals, and have poisonous substances in them.

Ah, I see. Thanks for the detail. ;)

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There is no better slaves than ones who "believe" they're free.

Nice, Goethe.

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if you want to see a good documentary based on the corporate controlled food industry in america (also throughout the world) i suggest watching one called food inc.

Yeah I sat in on a lecture about it before a screening of it at my school. Great doc.


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No, I could not have. Big complicated issues require big complicated posts.

It's not a complicated issue, you have shown two misunderstandings of capitalism in your post. The first is that capitalism only create desires. However, that doesn't make sense why billions of dollars are invested to seek to discover and respond to the desires of consumers. You're other argument, which is backed by your logic rather than facts, is that capitalism is horrible for the environment yet it's been shown that many capitalist countries are actually the most environmentally friendly countries. For example: Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, etc.


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I_Guy Date: Sunday, 07/Feb/10, 4:16 AM | Message # 9

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The first is that capitalism only create desires.

Capitalism does appeal to desires, but the problem begins when we splurge our desires. But in some cases capitalism does manufacture some desires.

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You're other argument, which is backed by your logic rather than facts,

I can provide mountains of facts. Imagine how much you'd be complaining if I packed that post with facts. What do you want in particular?

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yet it's been shown that many capitalist countries are actually the most environmentally friendly countries. For example: Sweden, Finland, Switzerland, etc.

They are socialist and they are wealthy countries to begin with.

But here you go, marching on by everything I have posted so that you can overlook it all and fallaciously debate over things that you have forgotten and not addressed. Then we can get off topic.


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It's not a complicated issue

It is an extremely complicated issue. Because so many issues are interconnected. The entire body of knowledge in all fields of study help to explain the position we are in as a society. Politics and economics cannot EVER be used to explain or solve our problems.


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They will also push through fascist laws disguised as "humanitarian" efforts and the such.

Sadly this is already occurring. This has, in fact, been occurring for several decades.


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Capitalism does appeal to desires, but the problem begins when we splurge our desires.

Splurge our desires? lol, wow. So you believe people should at times be forced to not do or get what they want even if it doesn't hurt anyone else?
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But in some cases capitalism does manufacture some desires.
There have been attempts to create desires. But from what I can think of none of them have been successful.
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Imagine how much you'd be complaining if I packed that post with facts.

Uhh, actually what annoys me most about having arguments with you is most of the time u seem to just make statements without backing it up with facts whatsoever.... really, I can't think of one argument where you've backed it up with hard evidence.
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What do you want in particular?

You're the one trying to argue with me, how about you pick for yourself.
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They are socialist and they are wealthy countries to begin with.

Huh? Are you trying to state the most environmentally friendly countries are socialist or that the countries I have pointed out are socialists? If you are trying to say that the most environmentally friendly countries are socialist ones then look again. If you are trying to point out that the countries I have stated are socialists that you are wrong. Regardless of whatever laws they have a, for the most part, free market economy. It wouldn't make sense that corporations in a free market system would play by the rules if what you say is true, so it wouldn't make sense that the countries I've stated are the most environmentally friendly.

Sweden: "Sweden's industry is overwhelmingly in private control; unlike some other industrialized Western countries, such as Austria and Italy, publicly owned enterprises were always of minor importance."
Finland: "Finland has a highly industrialized free-market economy"
Switzerland: "Switzerland has a stable, modern and one of the most capitalist economies in the world."
- Wikipedia


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But here you go, marching on by everything I have posted so that you can overlook it all and fallaciously debate over things that you have forgotten and not addressed. Then we can get off topic.

Oh yeah this. First of all, you're the one that went off topic with the discussion. Second of all, I'm not overlooking anything. What you pretty much described in your post is that the market creates desires which consumers act upon. Also that capitalist countries are dangerous for the environment.


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skin products, hair products, oral products, hygiene products

most of them are derived from petrochemicals, and have poisonous substances in them.

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Food Industry, Candy Industry, and Beverage Industry who undercut quality food and drink.

a majority of supermarket food brands are owned by a handful of multinational corporations, giving the illusion of choice.

In the long run what your saying is correct, capitalism must fall, as its just a system of full exploitation, fueled by the greed of the the overseers. The collapse of society will happen down the track sooner or later, as lack of proper education increases and increases, you will see tyranny in governments rise as people will become to stupid to realize whats happening to them. Linked with the chemical imbalances pushed in food these days which create disturbing consequences (i actually believe that ADD and ADHD are caused by chemical inbalances by shit food). In the long run all i see a majority of the education system achieving is conditioning people to a class based system. They will also push through fascist laws disguised as "humanitarian" efforts and the such. There is no better slaves than ones who "believe" they're free.

if you want to see a good documentary based on the corporate controlled food industry in america (also throughout the world) i suggest watching one called food inc.


Yet the countries that advocate freer markets seem to be more prosperous than other countries.


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Splurge our desires? lol, wow. So you believe people should at times be forced to not do or get what they want even if it doesn't hurt anyone else?

Some desires should not be created for profit. The desires that are created are by virtue artificial and often destructive, so in a way, yes they should not exist.

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There have been attempts to create desires. But from what I can think of none of them have been successful.

Many desires have been manufactured to fuel addictive entertainment industries. All desires for fashion are manufactured. People want whatever bullshit they put on the shelf. And a lot of the time it is unneeded garbage. Desires for unneeded garbage should be suppressed and eliminated

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Uhh, actually what annoys me most about having arguments with you is most of the time u seem to just make statements without backing it up with facts whatsoever.... really, I can't think of one argument where you've backed it up with hard evidence.

I started to include facts in my big post but once I realized how long it was going to be I said fuck it, there is too much to deal with. Disagree with any point you want and I’ll pile on the facts.

Sometimes I don't include "facts" because I assume the realities I speak of are so well known and elementary that I figure no sane person would need a little fact to remind them of its truth (which I suppose is my mistake). Plus, I try to come at it philosophically and logically (which is where EVERY SINGLE debate should start). But when the situation calls for it I'll plug-in the facts.

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You're the one trying to argue with me, how about you pick for yourself.

I don't know where to start. If you disagree, tell me where.

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Huh?

Not socialist in the Marxist-Leninist sense. I mean by the Nordic Welfare State model.

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Oh yeah this. First of all, you're the one that went off topic with the discussion. Second of all, I'm not overlooking anything. What you pretty much described in your post is that the market creates desires which consumers act upon. Also that capitalist countries are dangerous for the environment.

You should be slapped for that outrageous oversimplification. But wow, I can really see your reading comprehension come to the surface here. That's like me saying that your entire argument in the Anarcho-Capitalist Debate boils down to you saying that anarcho-capitalism works and is the best. Absurd.

-Over and out for now-


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