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| Menace |
Date: Friday, 18/Sep/09, 7:45 PM | Message # 76 |
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Quote (I_Guy) Well the problem here is that you are assuming that only you have value in this world, so the only thing that you would think matters is how YOU feel. Have you forgotten the Golden Rule? The Golden Rule is not a moral one, it exclusively a logical one. (I have a feeling you haven’t been reading all of my posts, if you did you would know [but perhaps I‘m not being clear], and you probably won’t read this one either anyway, but nevertheless I digress) Stay with me, I’m going to try to break this down. Taylor, I assume you believe in evolution, correct? If you do then you understand that you are a product of the Earth. You should also understand that you are among other products of the Earth (other animals). At what point do you have the right to kill another animal? Nature would say (and it is correct) you gain the right to kill another animal when it becomes necessary to sustain your own life. Now keep in mind that we don’t even really have the “right,” I am using the term “right” for clarity reasons. A better word would be “need” or “necessity.” We don’t have the "right" because nature is cruel, and we simply have to steal and take rather it be lives or property, because that is simply how the natural world is set up, so a “right” is nowhere to be found in nature with only one exception, “the right to life,” and even it is more of a subjective pseudo-right. The fact that we use our “right” (need) to take another creatures “right” (life) is in itself a contradiction. Do you see the problem? The fact that one animal has a “right” to life does not over-justify another animal’s "right" to life. Natural evolution has put animals in the situation of “do or die,” “kill or be killed.” Now do you agree that we are ourselves natural animals of Earth? If you do then you realize we are on the exact same level as other animals when it comes to existence. But I hope you do realize that we have escaped nature. If you don’t agree, then you have to agree that we have at least escaped the majority of its cruelty. Why have only we escaped and no other animals? The answer is we were fortunate enough to evolve more advanced then other animals (we evolved so drastically because positive adaptations compound the evolutionary process, thereby multiplying the complexity of our development). And we use these advantages against other animals despite our ability not to. This doesn’t seem wrong to you? The term defining this is “specist” the same as racist, I assume you get it? The point is, once you realize that all creatures of Earth are on the same cosmic level, you then realize that we are not so different than they, and that it is our duty to share the Earth with them, and the fact that we have the ability to help them should be all the more a reason to share the Earth. Because we have escaped the natural dilemma of nature. The animals haven’t. So why do we continue to live by natures set up? Now let me explain why it is our duty to take care of the earth and animals, and essentially not exploit them. You might be sitting there like, “how the hell is it my duty to not care only about my self? How is my duty to take care of the Earth and animals, they don‘t take care of me!” Well you see, by treating the Earth and other animals carefully we then lay the ensure the future of our own existence. You have to understand that one aspect of nature we haven’t escaped is the necessity to form symbiotic relationships of reciprocity. This is a natural law of Earth, and even the universe too. It has always been this way. This law was set up from the first day life spawned the planet. You should understand that everything is atoms and everything will remain atoms. That is why this law exists because all atoms are dependent on each other to every come together and for anything ever to happen. Now simply amplify the idea. All things depend on each other because everything breaks down to atoms. We often don’t realize how connected everything is. This is the barrier to our situation. People don’t realize this mega-picture. Therefore we tend to only think about ourselves, and that is okay because that is how natural evolution has set it up. But you see, by maintaining this symbiotic relationship with all things, we then become safe. It may seem like I’m just trying to be “moral” and simply give to everything, but actually the root of my argument is a selfish one. Nature has made it necessary to be selfish, because if you are not selfish you will not survive. So let me try to tie everything together. The fact that all life is one organism, means that we must keep it alive, and the only way to do that is be responsible and wise. We have to think very deeply about our position in nature and try to foresee the effects of our actions. The path we are taking now is unwise and irresponsible. Because if we do what I have elaborated, then we will progress further into a positive future and a sustainable existence. Furthermore, this whole lecture is a philosophy of self interest. Because remember, self interest has been an element of nature for all time. Take into the consideration this quote from Carl Sagan. “We are a way for the cosmos to know itself.” It’s my favorite quote of all time and it is so true. It really helps put our existence into perspective. Now remember, in the beginning of this response I mentioned that the problem is that you think only of yourself as having value by thinking the way you do. We have to realize that everything (in life primarily) has equal value and that we are not the only ones. Nature has made it hard for us to properly understand the value because we are naturally self-interested when it comes down it. But by supporting other environment and other life we satisfy this self-interest because we ensure our own existence. But we have to remind ourselves that more intelligent we become we should relay it back to the value of life and use our intelligence to make it better for all life. If we do this it will make our life better as a result. Basically it is the same concept you have about only caring about yourself, except the concept has been intellectualized to serve a wiser purpose. In the long run we make everything better and it tends to seem "moral" but it is clearly a logical argument. This probably wasn’t clear or developed enough. If not let me know. in a short sentence we evolved beyond natural selection we don't need to rely on primitive instincts to sustain ourselves so now we need to be the guardians of our natural environment so not only our fellow species can evolve and survive we ourselves can evolve and survive BADA BING BADA BOOM !!! LOL Quote (I_Guy) You got to be kidding me. I know exactly where you get that bullshit info from. You get it from that bullshit ass show called "Bullshit." It's the first result when you search "PETA" on Youtube. Don't act like you think that bullshit ass show is credible. That show is equivalent to Fox News at times. And don't act like you get your info from credible sources. And even if the "PETA Conspiracy" were true, their flaw would be irrelevant to the idea of vegetarianism and everything it advocates. This probably wasn’t clear or developed enough. If not let me know. they are Libertarian Conservatives I'm not amazed they socially preach pluralism but when it comes to economics as the Green Revolution/Globalization they are more conservative then Bush LOL talk about people having an AGENDA
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| I_Guy |
Date: Friday, 18/Sep/09, 7:54 PM | Message # 77 |
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Quote (Menace) in a short sentence we evolved beyond natural selection we don't need to rely on primitive instincts to sustain ourselves so now we need to be the guardians of our natural environment so not only our fellow species can evolve and survive we ourselves can evolve and survive BADA BING BADA BOOM !!! LOL Right, but ilikebacon might still think this doesn't explain why we should do this. It is vital to explain our motive.
We all know that each of our end is near; the question is do we accept the end of our living existence, or do we accept our existence as dead men...
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| Menace |
Date: Friday, 18/Sep/09, 8:05 PM | Message # 78 |
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Quote (I_Guy) Right, but ilikebacon might still think this doesn't explain why we should do this. It is vital to explain our motive. yeah i know but he will not understand regardless LOL 
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| Menace |
Date: Saturday, 19/Sep/09, 2:22 PM | Message # 79 |
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Quote (Joker13) do you work? yes i actually work and pay all the bills in the house and i go to school in the same time 
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| I_Guy |
Date: Wednesday, 23/Sep/09, 3:19 PM | Message # 80 |
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God damn, get over it, Menace fucks beautiful women for money. Nothing new, leave it alone.
We all know that each of our end is near; the question is do we accept the end of our living existence, or do we accept our existence as dead men...
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| eboyd |
Date: Wednesday, 23/Sep/09, 8:39 PM | Message # 81 |
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Quote (Joker13) I don't get over shit i wanna know and im determined to know even if i have to make a goddamn thread about it 
my new theme song
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"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"
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| emseed |
Date: Wednesday, 23/Sep/09, 11:02 PM | Message # 82 |
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[quote=Joker13]I don't get over shit i wanna know and im determined to know even if i have to make a goddamn thread about it [/quote] fine i'll put you out of your misery, i'm pretty sure he said a while ago that he works in a music store
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| EmSeeD |
Date: Sunday, 27/Sep/09, 1:08 AM | Message # 83 |
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Quote (Joker13) ANSWER MY FUCKING QUESTION MENACE I KNOW YOUR THERE YOU POOSAYWHOLEAMON jeez man figure it out, his mom is sick, he never grew up with his father (i think that's what he said) so what do you think
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| emseed |
Date: Sunday, 27/Sep/09, 4:26 AM | Message # 84 |
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what does it matter if its a mom and pop store, its a music store
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| Adam |
Date: Sunday, 27/Sep/09, 12:13 PM | Message # 85 |
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Hah you stupid pile of traSH you think they are doing you or us favor.
I JUST EXPLODED INTO RAINBOWS AND LOLLIPOPS!
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| Adam |
Date: Sunday, 27/Sep/09, 1:52 PM | Message # 86 |
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Well I don't think that is even a stable family. If you care so much for them, maybe one at a time can finish school. But if I was in that position I would leave maybe a foster home, because people like that who can't care, or whomever doesn't respect themselves enough to even get to highschool. Shouldn't be anything to you even if they borned you. Infact having parents who didn't take the time to get a stable education and just have a kid, don't deserve concern or sympathy. Thats like having two irresponsible people who would have ran off on a kid, but they themselves had nowhere to go. At that this site or even this thread isn't for this discussion.
I JUST EXPLODED INTO RAINBOWS AND LOLLIPOPS!
Message edited by Adam - Sunday, 27/Sep/09, 1:54 PM
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 27/Sep/09, 2:12 PM | Message # 87 |
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If Walmart didn't exist they would probably have the opportunity to get a higher paying job through a mom and pop store because there would be more of them and they may even have an opportunity to open their own store but because of such corporations they can't because they would have to compete. And btw, Menace works for his uncle at a music store that his uncle owns. It is a mom and pop.
my new theme song
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"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"
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battle record:
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| I_Guy |
Date: Sunday, 27/Sep/09, 3:21 PM | Message # 88 |
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Quote (Joker13) well my parents don't have a diploma and they didn't even reach high school. so tell me what other jobs they could get ? and what other job could i get ? i clean a store called zellers which is basically a Canadian wal mart but please tell me what jobs they could get and i will tell them to go try you dumb fuck G.E.D.?
We all know that each of our end is near; the question is do we accept the end of our living existence, or do we accept our existence as dead men...
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| eboyd |
Date: Sunday, 27/Sep/09, 3:30 PM | Message # 89 |
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Lol! I agree!
my new theme song
erikboyd60@hotmail.com
"True poetry can communicate before it is understood"
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battle record:
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| Adam |
Date: Sunday, 27/Sep/09, 3:47 PM | Message # 90 |
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Yeah both mines have GEDs.
I JUST EXPLODED INTO RAINBOWS AND LOLLIPOPS!
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