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There's No Such Thing as "Real Hip-Hop"

Adam

Date: Wednesday, 23/Mar/11, 10:28 PM | Message # 31

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Exactly.

I JUST EXPLODED INTO RAINBOWS AND LOLLIPOPS!

J-Breakz

Date: Wednesday, 23/Mar/11, 11:57 PM | Message # 32

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a musical genre lasts when it has behind a REAL tradition, not a watered down idea as you are used you, that's what i learned in music school i think in the US is called art school, maybe i am wrong

So what values must a song have for it to be considered "real" hip hop?

livin life like some cheesy movie

ilikebacon3000

Date: Thursday, 24/Mar/11, 0:54 AM | Message # 33

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i just think ya'll are all over thinking it....
i've never been big on the whole KRS Religious hiphop fucking huge ass culture "hiphop is the savior of my people" bullshit... i'm the same with punk.. it's dumb to sit there and classify shit and be like "this is this because..."

it is what it is, and i like it. it's much easier to just leave it at that rather than going into the whole elements thing... to be totally honest, all that shit is sorta irrelevent now. i don't know much about bboying or turntabling, but i do recognize that they both originated in hiphop. and i know that graffiti did as well. they all 3 had huge impacts on hiphop.
but is graffiti still tied to hiphop, directly? no. graffiti exists in it's own world independant of hiphop, now. not all graffiti artists listen to hiphop or are even fully aware of how deeply rooted it is in hiphop.

meh. i'm ranting. bottom line, it is what it is, and to argue about "what's real and what isn't" is just dumb across the board IMO.
i take the same stance on punk. it's subjective.

and menace... would you consider bands like NOFX and Gob and Lagwagon punk even though they are pop/punk?
i mean the descendants are considered hardcore punk, but listen to green day and blink 182... same shit. same 4 chords. same song subjects. the ramones, punk pioneers, right? and they were on a major label. the sung about the same things that green day and blink 182 sung about. not that it matters. i don't care if it's "punk" or not anymore. its music that i ilike.

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Greeny

Date: Thursday, 24/Mar/11, 1:49 AM | Message # 34

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but is graffiti still tied to hiphop, directly? no. graffiti exists in it's own world independant of hiphop, now. not all graffiti artists listen to hiphop or are even fully aware of how deeply rooted it is in hiphop.

Whether ALL graffiti artists listen to hip hop or not is irrelevant, it's still a part of hip hop, since MOST of them do listen to hip hop music, and I dare to say that a lot of those who listen to hip hop music enjoy the art of graffiti.
It's independent too, but, speaking from what I see here, it is because people are ignorant; they don't know what it's about, and I don't think that ignorance of some people should say if it's a part of hip hop or if it isn't.
Since hip hop isn't only about music (there's nothing wrong with only liking it as music though) it's important that the music is knit to other parts of it as well.
DJ'ing has also gone to other genres, but it's still a part of hip hop, right?
Graffiti artists shouldn't be tied down to show inspiration from hip hop music only, but fact is that it's a big one.

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"it's dumb to sit there and classify shit and be like "this is this because..." "

I'm not sure if I understand this though.

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i've never been big on the whole KRS Religious hiphop fucking huge ass culture "hiphop is the savior of my people" bullshit

On the culture or on the religion? If religion.. You still should respect the culture, even if you think the religion embracing the culture is a load of bullshit. If culture.. I have a hard time imagining what make you think you got the right to say what is real hip hop in a universal way.

If there is no right way to describe an objective term for "real hip hop", what the fuck is this website? Are we then just saying that our own taste is superior to everyone elses, just because it's our own? I haven't noticed that our tastes for hip hop, current hip hop at least, is very similar. How come then we all find ourselves on a website that glorifies "real hip hop", when there all in all is no such thing, it's just "good hip hop"? And this good hip hop varies from person to person, even among those who are selfclaimed real hip hop heads, so how come they all call themselves real hip hop heads? Are we that cocky and self righteous to say what hip hop is good, based on nothing but personal taste?

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So what values must a song have for it to be considered "real" hip hop?

Pure hip hop.

Need more tension.

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Graffiti can be tied to hip hop and the same time not be tied down, sort of speak.

ilikebacon3000

Date: Thursday, 24/Mar/11, 8:18 AM | Message # 35

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people are ignorant; they don't know what it's about, and I don't think that ignorance of some people should say if it's a part of hip hop or if it isn't.

This statement did make me think about how even though hiphop does exist out of hiphop now, education is still important. It's still important to let people know that graffiti isn't just writing on walls, and it is part of a movement/culture whatever you wanna call it.

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I'm not sure if I understand this though.

I feel like in the end, it's dumb to worry about what is what... Okay okay, I know Menace is going to hop on my ass for this again, but like I say in some political shit.. We're going to die, and truth be told, I doubt any of the music we listen to (whether it be rock, rap, whatever) will be anything like the music 2000 years from now, and I doubt they will still listen to stuff we would consider "hiphop". Maybe they will. Who knows. Bottom line, I just don't feel like it's worth my time to worry about whether or not it's "real" or "hiphop" or anything like that. if I like it, I'm going to listen to it, you know?

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I'm talking strictly on the religion, I only threw culture in there cause I was using free association words. Just saying whatever came to mind in that sentence.

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If there is no right way to describe an objective term for "real hip hop", what the fuck is this website? Are we then just saying that our own taste is superior to everyone elses, just because it's our own? I haven't noticed that our tastes for hip hop, current hip hop at least, is very similar. How come then we all find ourselves on a website that glorifies "real hip hop", when there all in all is no such thing, it's just "good hip hop"? And this good hip hop varies from person to person, even among those who are selfclaimed real hip hop heads, so how come they all call themselves real hip hop heads? Are we that cocky and self righteous to say that hip hop is good, based on nothing but personal taste?

I'm not sure I totally get what you're saying here. It wasn't worded bad, it's good English and all (I'm only saying that because I know English isn't your first language... And so no, it wasn't written just fine, don't worry.) i'm just not comprehending it i guess.

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Greeny

Date: Thursday, 24/Mar/11, 2:12 PM | Message # 36

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This is going into the discussion about the meaning of life. Your statement is similar to the one of a nihilist. That is saying that nothing really matters, so why even bother.

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It was written at 6-or-so in the morning. Damn insomnia. I'll try again.. If the term "real hip hop" is just a matter of taste, what is "Real Hip Hop Forever"?
I'm trying to point out that, without a term for what's "real" hip hop that is universal and free from personal taste, we're just extremely selfrighteous and cocky, because we basically say that the hip hop we like is the only hip hop that is worthy of being called hip hop, based on what we like. That makes hip hop itself subjective, meaning it's different from person to person, depending on what he or she likes in music. That's what we're trying to get rid of, so we either change the faulty premises (i.e. 'real' means 'good', which was the poorly argued starting point by the colourful writer of the article at front) or we are at the conclusion that "real hip hop" is a term used for describing good hip hop, so the term can't be publicly accepted, because the 'good' part is a matter of opinion.
idk if that's better. I'm not really good at english, so my ability to express myself is limited.

Adam

Date: Thursday, 24/Mar/11, 3:49 PM | Message # 37

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^^^TLDR LOL

I JUST EXPLODED INTO RAINBOWS AND LOLLIPOPS!

Menace

Date: Thursday, 24/Mar/11, 3:50 PM | Message # 38

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After 1000 years Classical Music still survives, after almost 100 years Jazz music still survives, a music survives if its backed up by a culture and that's it, anyone who understands music understands this, Punk was destroyed by Sex Pistols, The Clash, The Ramones etc. As Crass said " Movements are expressions of the public will
Punk became a movement cos we all felt lost, Leaders sold out and now we all pay the cost." Punk sold out its CULTURAL integrity, it became the product it was designed to COMBAT. That's why it died and everything from the initial movement was lost. Punk Rock is the prime example of a culture being commercially whored.

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Date: Thursday, 24/Mar/11, 6:25 PM | Message # 39

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FUCK THIS RAP SHIT! I LISTEN TO CLASSICAL!

Menace

Date: Thursday, 24/Mar/11, 6:27 PM | Message # 40

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Your just a hipster whore, jump on the next "alternative" bandwagon son,

J-Breakz

Date: Friday, 25/Mar/11, 1:43 AM | Message # 41

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Punk sold out its CULTURAL integrity, it became the product it was designed to COMBAT. That's why it died and everything from the initial movement was lost. Punk Rock is the prime example of a culture being commercially whored.

its just music that people get enthusiastic about.

livin life like some cheesy movie