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Religion: Real or Fake
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| I_Guy |
Date: Tuesday, 21/Apr/09, 1:52 AM | Message # 1 |
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What began this thread:
http://realhiphop4ever.ucoz.com/forum/12-1890-1 Religious folks need to give up.
We all know that each of our end is near; the question is do we accept the end of our living existence, or do we accept our existence as dead men...
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| s0dr2 |
Date: Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:25 AM | Message # 136 |
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Quote (eboyd) because i do not believe in myths or anything else that cannot be empirically proven and science, which i believe in but also realize has not more merit than religion, and science theorizes that many of the statements made in the bible are false. therefore, i do not look to the bible as historical reference, but rather as a collection of metaphorical stories to help guide people morally. they may be truthful. i'll never know. i just believe they are metaphorical rather than truthful. they may be interpreted literally, but i personally do not interpret them in such a way.
man i got homework.....ill respond tomorrow
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
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| SoulRas |
Date: Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:26 AM | Message # 137 |
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the Bible was a creation of man. not of "God".. enough said
“Music is the harmonious voice of creation; an echo of the invisible world.”
-Giuseppe Mazzini
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| s0dr2 |
Date: Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:26 AM | Message # 138 |
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Quote (8Diagrams) Technically it's today biggrin LOL
technically, you're mom's today
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
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| I_Guy |
Date: Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:27 AM | Message # 139 |
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Quote (eboyd) who's to say that? how do we know science is the absolute truth? sure, i believe it is, but i do not put 100% certainty on that or anything else for that matter.
It's not the absolute truth. But it has the devices (logic, reason, sensibility, rationalism, evidence, skepticism, hierarchy of certainty, brutal peer review, technology, etc.) used to set it closer to truth more so than anything else. That's why I go for it.
We all know that each of our end is near; the question is do we accept the end of our living existence, or do we accept our existence as dead men...
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| s0dr2 |
Date: Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:27 AM | Message # 140 |
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Quote (laPennello) the Bible was a creation of man. not of "God"..
enough said?? that's like saying the Bible is from God, not from "man" give me an explanation!
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
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| I_Guy |
Date: Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:31 AM | Message # 141 |
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Quote (eboyd) see, here's the problem. it is backed by evidence, but not empirical evidence. who is to say that empirical evidence is the true type of evidence though?
Because that is the only way to measure what is closest to true within our natural earth given abilities up to this point. At this point it is the furthest we can go reasonably.
We all know that each of our end is near; the question is do we accept the end of our living existence, or do we accept our existence as dead men...
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| s0dr2 |
Date: Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:31 AM | Message # 142 |
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Quote (8Diagrams) It's "your." And plus, I wasn't attacking you in any way, so I don't see what the fuck your problem is.
listen man......you know what my problem is?? YOUR MOM IN BED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OOOOOOOOOHOHOHOHOHOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WASSUP??? WHAT NOW??? HUUH??? U AINT GOT NOTHIN ON ME HOMES, ILL SUCK YOU CLEAN (no homo)
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
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| I_Guy |
Date: Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:32 AM | Message # 143 |
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Quote (sodr2) Can I ask you why you don't believe in the BIble?
For the same reasons as eboyd, plus more (which are probably his reasons too), in addition to aspects of nihilism.
We all know that each of our end is near; the question is do we accept the end of our living existence, or do we accept our existence as dead men...
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| s0dr2 |
Date: Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:37 AM | Message # 144 |
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alright, before i go....can i ask you atheists something? lets say someone put out an idea that there is a deity that transcends the laws of nature, immeasurable, etc. would you approach in finding out the truth behind this person's claim by scientific/emperical evidence? i think not. now lets say this person died. another person came who never knew person #1.....he claimed the exact same thing several more people came who all lived throughout a span of several *centuries* they said and did real things. things they did were recorded down, along side dates, places, and rulers of the time.... these people also prophecised about a man who would be this deity in flesh, with several events that were to come this man came, existed on earth, fulfilled the prophecies of the prophets before him all things were mentioned and recorded in several books as testimony of this deity and all surrounding him to the people who are to live after them --------->>>would you believe?
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
Message edited by sodr2 - Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:39 AM
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| s0dr2 |
Date: Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:41 AM | Message # 145 |
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Quote (8Diagrams) .....You just summed up the history of religion in an attempt to be convincing.
!!!!!!! there are books in hinduism that mention no historical things like dates, names of places, people, etc. you can conclude it is not the revealed religion name me ONE ONE ONEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE religion that has a book like the Bible
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
Message edited by sodr2 - Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:41 AM
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| s0dr2 |
Date: Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:43 AM | Message # 146 |
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Quote (8Diagrams) ....You just summed up the history of religion in an attempt to be convincing.
listen man, i dont care what you say, i just want you to contemplate on what i mentioned and look into christianity....it's completely different from all religions out there.....you must strive to know the truth, that's what i mean by being humble
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
Message edited by sodr2 - Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:44 AM
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| I_Guy |
Date: Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:44 AM | Message # 147 |
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Quote (sodr2) would you approach in finding out the truth behind this person's claim by scientific/emperical evidence?
Yes Quote (sodr2) would you believe?
No
We all know that each of our end is near; the question is do we accept the end of our living existence, or do we accept our existence as dead men...
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| s0dr2 |
Date: Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:45 AM | Message # 148 |
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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But why??????????????????? You cannot measure God!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ................
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"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
Message edited by sodr2 - Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:46 AM
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| I_Guy |
Date: Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:46 AM | Message # 149 |
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Quote (sodr2) alright, before i go....can i ask you atheists something?
lets say someone put out an idea that there is a deity that transcends the laws of nature, immeasurable, etc.
would you approach in finding out the truth behind this person's claim by scientific/emperical evidence? i think not.
now lets say this person died.
another person came who never knew person #1.....he claimed the exact same thing
several more people came who all lived throughout a span of several *centuries*
they said and did real things. things they did were recorded down, along side dates, places, and rulers of the time....
these people also prophecised about a man who would be this deity in flesh, with several events that were to come
this man came, existed on earth, fulfilled the prophecies of the prophets before him
all things were mentioned and recorded in several books as testimony of this deity and all surrounding him to the people who are to live after them
--------->>>would you believe?
The problem with that whole comment is that we don't know for sure the historical factuality of what this parallels in our lives.
We all know that each of our end is near; the question is do we accept the end of our living existence, or do we accept our existence as dead men...
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| s0dr2 |
Date: Tuesday, 28/Apr/09, 1:49 AM | Message # 150 |
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Quote (8Diagrams) I already did? I think I clarafied that with you? Where's the proof? People don't even know where Jesus' tomb is located.
no you didn't....you..IT'S CLARIFIED!!!...didn't clarify anything other than mention that the priests are homophobic. proof? Bible. (no, it's not one book) Jesus' tomb? Try the Church of the Holy Sepulchre Added (28/Apr/09, 1:49 Am)
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Quote (I_Guy) ....of what this parallels in our lives. explain, im not getting this
"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain
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