And sodr2 you told us the biggest fallacies i ever heard i mean even the argument of that video I_Guy showed is full of fallacies in fact this whole subject of God's existence is a BIG FALLACY that's why i rather deal whit historical perspectives of religion then philosophical ones that can't NEVER be settled

this is what you're saying: God doesnt exist, therefore miracles and " claims of impossible occurrences" cannot exist. the bible contains " claims of impossible occurrences" therefore God doesn't exist. its circular logic

reply if you see something wrong, or please tell me another problem you see with Christianity.

DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. Basically someone presents a solid case against your beliefs. You basically say, "Well, this is all possible because of magic." That doesn't cut it.

And no, I don't deny the existence of a creator (although I doubt it). Although, I do deny the existence of the Bible's God. That's why I rephrased earlier. I'm saying miracles don't exist, and many things in the bible are full of holes, misunderstandings, foul judgments, arbitrary interpretation, impossible occurrences, and much to much to list.

Bottom line is, there is such a massive accumulation of vast concepts that are far beyond your grasp at this point. I'm talking about really deep shit that dig at the foundation of the bible and the motives of humans. I'm talking about the execution of communication through Linguistics and Lexicology such as Semiotics, Pragmatics, Semantics, and Syntactics, also the ideas of interpretation such as Philology, Hermeneutics, or Onomasiology, and then the methods of understanding in Epistemology seen in Perspectivism, Contextualism, Verificationism, Empiricism, Rationalism, Constructivism, Infinitism, Foundationalism, Coherentism, Skepticism, Fallibilism, Secular Universalism, Objectivism, False dichotomy, and finally, Diallelus.

Man I can't even list everything if I wanted to. There are so many vastly soaring areas of knowledge that, by there very nature, naturally challenge the bible. There are heaps of work done in psychology that are deep into the functions of the human psyche that explain how this whole religion phenomenon ever came into existence. There is a significance in History that explains how religion came to be. There are several routes that a person can take when attempting to battle religion. Each route is almost as equally effective.

I mean what do you think? All the shit above is bullshit? All that isn't even the half of it all, it's not even a quarter.

Man all I know is that when you study deep into psychology, philosophy, history, epistemology, philology, lexicology, and many other fields you will then put it all together into one simple understanding: the Bible is a joke (and our leaders believe in it = horrifying). After understanding all of this (or even some of this like I try) in a solid varying combination, you will be presented with an essential convincing overwhelming heap of realized conclusions.

There is no starting point to explain any of this to someone unwilling to learn it. It's something you need to look into yourself, for your own good.

a tower could be built but of course we are talking here about biblical exaggerations ohh and about the tower of babel it is weird how this God was afraid of us because if you read the passage it's like God was afraid of us our unity was so great we could do ANYTHING it's very crazy the psychology of God amazes me that's why i doubt his "superpowers" or the existence of it because his psychological pattern is the same as ours

...if God exists, miracles can too.
so you cant disprove God because the Bible is full of miracles.

lets just go off of what i said again, and please respond to it, instead of saying "DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE SAYING."

and the Roman pantheon is full of miracles too and the Mayan religion too i think i heard one Rastafarian one day that said to me when he was stuck on the boat in the middle of nowhere he praised Jah and in moments he was saved WOOOW miracles man your arguments stink ohh show me a bleeding statue LMAO dude you fail miserably not to say that your biblical God is on the same level psychologically like us LOL it's ridiculous

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I wish you religious people would wake up
and see the truth you have all been lied to

how can i prove this you ask?

well johnny boy simple

And no, I'm not frustrated with someone disagreeing. It's the fact that the person disagreeing has no idea of the vast amounts of evidence against his claim. Your ignorance of these things leaves you where you are. Many Christians and other religious followers have no idea what they are up against. They have no idea what their opponents have as far as intellectual support. They only have a simple understanding of their opponent. Many Christians just think that non-theists are stubborn, or misled, or rebels, or simply can't see the light. In some cases yes, there are simple people out there that doubt god only for these reasons. But the people of true value understand alot of what I listed in the last post. And yes, those are vague fields of knowledge, but you have to explore the whole realm of those fields to get a decent credible understanding.

you just think youre right, dont you? you have it in your mind that a god doesnt exist, but you havent given me one "solid argument" against my god. im not up against anything, i've heard all the arguments and there are really good answers to them, i probably just dont answer them to your satisfaction.

1. There is suffering in this world.
2. Therefore god doesn't exist.

God created this world initially without suffering. it was because of US that we rejected Him and are left in misery. even though Christ came for us, he didn't say that he would abolish suffering. we must carry our cross, focus on your path first

please tell me the basis of where you get the idea that someone created us?

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things that you didn't do than by the ones you did do. So throw off the bowlines. Sail away from the safe harbour. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." - Mark Twain

shouldn't the burden of proof be on the believer not the one that doesn't believe.